This is not true. You can call Revolution by its name all day
long... in reference to the product. But if you are setting up a
comparison between major categories of languages, Rev's scripting
language certainly doesn't rank its own spot along side the likes of
C, Lisp, and SmallTalk.
Well sure, IF we are talking about some sort of high level, arbitrary
taxonomy then you are right. But I still don't know who besides you is
trying to create one. I guess everyone who works in C++ should be very
careful to put it under "C" and not mention it on its own. What's the
point? OK, Revolution didn't invent xTalk syntax. We get it. Very few
languages have their own unique syntax.
If I go to amazon to purchase a programming system, I will ask for a
product by name. If I am comparing language families it would be
ridiculous to list Rev next to C. If I was to mention Rev, I would
have to then refer to CodeWarrior and such instead of C.
xTalk is to C as Revolution is to CodeWarrior.
No, it's not. CodeWarrior is just a C IDE + compiler in this context.
Revolution is NOT just an IDE for an already existing language. It's
not a HyperTalk compiler.
My original post was not in direct relation to this silly religion
thread. The religion thread is a sub-thread to a larger discussion
about what to call the scripting language within the Revolution
product.
In this larger discussion, I saw a disturbing lack of historical and
genealogical reference to the origin of the language upon which Rev
is based. Again, there is much about Rev that is unique within the
xTalk development tool category... the scripting language itself is
not significantly unique to this same degree. In point of fact, it
is upon the strength of this borrowed (event driven, message
passing, object centered, english syntax) language that Rev is based.
OK, that's fine in theory, even though the list of major improvements
to the language is enormous. Yes, one could argue that the true power
lives in the english-like syntax and message passing model. Perhaps
it's just your choice of words which are condescending. You call the
thread silly, say people are drinking "Kool-Aid", that things
"disturb" you and that people are lacking respect for the origins of
the language. C'mon. You obviously have no clue what group of people
you are addressing, and call people names when they respectfully
disagree with you.
That is how I describe Rev when I am asked. There are better and
worse IDEs in every language category. For many reasons, Rev is one
of the best in the xTalk category. But what really makes Rev great
is the same thing that makes SuperCard great... the friendly
underlying xTalk language and simple object hierarchy within which
it is situated.
Not how I would put it, but surely a fair point of view.
In my opinion, the best way to brag up the Rev product is to call
out its strengths. Naming Rev's scripting language anything that
does not directly reference this key attribute (xTalk) would ignore
the goodwill inherent in the structure and heritage that was
intentionally designed into the original SmallTalk and HyperTalk
languages and the philosophy that drove those original design
decisions.
As good as the Rev IDE is, if you wrapped it around C instead of
xTalk, you would be left with C... most of us would abandon the
product immediately. Know what I mean?
Yes, I do =). We share a common appreciation for Rev. So I would
suggest calling people out a little less when they simply disagree
about how to classify it.
I'm sure we could carry on this back and forth forever, so I will let
it be at this point. At least we both like the product, whatever we
call it.
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