On 9/13/10 9:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Nice use of big words and phrases. I am overwhelmed. :-) But it still doesn't get around to addressing the issue
that you leave Steve no means of redeeming himself, or "making things right". I find this approach
extremely "dictatorial" in it's own right, and Steve never even told you he LIKED you, never mind that he
wanted to go beyond a first date!<pokes Richmond in the ribs with his own "stick of redirection".>
A old wise old professor named A. E. Wilder-Smith (6 earned doctorates and countless
lectures and debates under his belt) once told me that it's no good leaving an opponent
in a debate without a way of escape. "We are trying to win minds, not
arguments." he would say. I've had to really bite my tongue at times to try to
follow that advice throughout my life.
And by the way, your use of words to paint the picture of Steve Jobs as a
ravening wolf is certainly very skilled, but reminds me of the unsavory
practice of the modern media, of finding the most unflattering photos of a
politician they really dislike, and only then printing those amidst words that
describe what the politician in the photo might be like, instead of treating
the facts of the article with the objectiveness they claim for themselves. Just
an observation.
Bob
Well; I will take nothing I wrote too seriously, nor anything you wrote
as I just had this vision of how wolf-like
Steve Jobs looks and everything sort of unfolded from there.
Frankly a glass of dry, white wine and a spot of Buxtehude beats
thinking about the nastiness of the computer
programming business any day . . . :)
However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be,
despite misdirecting signs, a sharp
cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as
its boss?
I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself:
paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after
nearly 20 years.
On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Richmond wrote:
Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed'
that 'Apple' is nothing
but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of
'mistake'; howver, you can be
sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick
to set everybody's teeth on
edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less
than a big 'B'; you have to
be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone
beyond his firm.
I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of
relationship than business partners.
For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and
squash her; luckily, should I ever
have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests.
"Mutual respect" is the first
phrase that springs to mind.
Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad
are NOT married to
Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement.
Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's "relationships"
with his 1008 lovers there,
and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the
post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out
there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their
*********s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having "pooed" all over those
developers, and he now comes
"cap in hand" to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic
circle' is no reason to
forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a
lasting warning that we are
dealing with a wolf.
Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of
computer programming
(hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that
much competition) for quite some
time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would
have us believe. I, for one, do
not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is
down on his knees sending
prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast
his darshan on RunRev.
Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players
makes next. I am so very,
very glad it is him, not me.
Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux,
Haiku (gosh, I wish they would
speed up - Andre ?????), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to
get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors
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Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of
these].
Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an
announcement:
"The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of staff
qualified to drive it."
Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes.
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there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer.
On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.
If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later
relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were
married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please
her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any
different in business relationships.
Bob
On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Jacque,
It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
They were on Apple's side fanning away.
Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
fickleness cost me business.
But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
again.
I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay<[email protected]>wrote:
When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
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