On Aug 15, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Spreadsheets and iTunes are very different creatures.
Therein lies the difficulty in satisfying the request: so many options,
so little specification.
OK, fair enough. Either. Both. A flexible solution of multi-column, single line or multi-line data display.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same things. Not that what you're looking for is necessarily trivial, but rather on the contrary: there are MANY types of multi-column lists, if you observe them closely. There is no one-size-fits-all.
Some specifics about what you're looking for would be helpful in providing a solution, but you've already ruled that out: you'll accept nothing that isn't built into the engine, and no one can build it into the engine until its details have been specified.
Specifically, for this upcoming project, I need single-line, resizable by headers, with contained checkboxes, possible progress bars, and small icons. Multi-line would be nice, but that is its own batch of headaches, I realize.
Given the world of difference between the two I hope you'll forgive the confusion and, if you'll reconsider the requirement that it be fully engine-based we might be able to provide what you need once we understand it.
Yes, it IS confusing. I don't require an engine modification specifically, but #670 pretty clearly identifies the nature of tool I'm looking for. While all higher-level languages cause developers to "make-do" with the collection of resources available, and design and build projects based on the tools which they have at hand, this particular feature is particularly complex to "fake" well.
A data grid, with whatever features which could be dragged out of the toolbar into a project would be ideal, because like all the other tools, it would have a nice API, and be easy to integrate into any project. Just another incarnation of a field would be less than desirable unless it was very carefully worked up. The current table object hardly behaves like a proper table. (e.g. tabbing past the right edge, cell editing, etc.)
These are not subtle differences; data grids are inherently complex objects. This is probably why OS vendors haven't bothered to make an API for one.
True. And no doubt the reason I really don't want to hack together a one-off custom version every time one is needed.
The existing tab-stopped based field, is simply not good enough. But, if there were some decent generic version, with whatever feature set, like a good high-level language developer, I'd try to design my project around whatever it could do.
A RunRev solution would be best, since it would be supported, etc. But I also have no doubt that it is possible to make something generic through transcript alone... I've never seen one, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.
So there are three options at hand:
- Specify what you need and let's see if someone has what you're looking for in scripted form.
A working table / data grid object, which allows column resizing and sorting via headers, cell editing, proper treatment of the tab and return keys, lockable horizontal size - with a reasonable API (addRow, delRow, rowClicked,cellClicked, etc.) The rest of it is bonus features, I guess.
- Specify what you need and let's see if it could be added to the engine.
#670 does a good job, though admittedly vague and broad. I didn't write it, but based on the signers-on, I'm not the only one who would like to see such a tool.
- Send us a postcard from El Dorado (ride, bodly ride, the shade replied...)
Yes, Mr. Poe, it could be that I "seek for Eldorado." I have a tendency to want high-level tools to offer the same unrestricted features as low-level tools, and low-level tools to offer the same productivity and freedom from gibberish syntax that high-level tools do. There really is no Eldorado, is there? Darn. I guess with high-level languages, you pick the one with the best features/compromises ratio, and make it work from there. Doesn't mean I won't keep up the search, or trying to get Revolution to continue transforming in the direction of Eldorado.
-- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net
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