From: Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Menu woes To: How to use Revolution <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:I suspect the easiest way to "fix" the menu issue and maintain some of the current flexibility would be:
1. Keep the system as it is, for the most part.
2. When using a group as the Mac menu bar, do not scroll the stack.
3. When using a group as a menubar in the window, scroll and enlarge the
stack. Now the rect of the card (for ex.) would have a negative minimum
vertical coordinate, since the menus would stop before reaching zero.
Of course, this would break backward compatibility somewhat, but not nearly so much as some of the other proposals, and yet this would fix some of the other problems which have been mentioned here...
I don't understand: as I read that it seems to suggest that all we do is switch the scrolling from Mac to all other OSes, so that instead of the scroll taking place on 2.4% of computers it takes place on 97.6%.
Remember that having the menubar be part of the window rather than
detached is how every modern OS works except Mac. We could debate the
efficacy of that (Tog has a lot to say in favor of a detached menu bar),
but it won't likely change how Windows, GNOME, KDE, X11, and all other
non-Mac windowing systems work.
Having the menu area a separate section of the stack, just like the window title is, would solve the problem. No scrolling problems, no resizing problems.
By the way, Tog did that "research" he keeps talking about at Apple pre-1986 (when I got there), on a 9 1/2 inch original Mac screen. His results aren't applicable to 1) larger screens, 2) multiple monitors, or 3) doing fine detail work in programs such as photoshop which use tearoff menus to advantage, allowing you to move the menu close to the area you're working in.
-- Frank
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