Hi Ben,

After a careful reading, I think you have a good grasp of the problem and do propose a good solution.

I want to be able to make a custom menu for my apps, and I can do it with the scheme you provide, with the exception that I want to locate them anywhere on the card, not in a space reserved 'above' the card and 'under' the titlebar. I believe you have addressed this issue below in a thoughtful manner, but I also want the menu I use to be the same menu which shows up on the top of the mac screen. I assume this could be done as well, but don't know your 'command' for it.

That being said, and now with Richard's help, I'm happy with the way things are right now. I can do *any* behavior I can think of. I remember a post Scott Raney mentioned a few years ago where he said that engine bugs which had known work-arounds were lower in priority than others. Good food for thought.

best,

Chipp
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