Basically, you want compileIT for RunRev for all platforms... Not obvious to do probably ;))
Join the club! Im sure someone is working hard on it ;) What would be cool, would be a runrev to flash compiler ;)) eh, it's a joke, i'd rather have a FireFox plugin to run RevStacks instead... cheers Xavier > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gordon Webster > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 16:53 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: RunRev vs RealBasic > > I really like what Frank is contemplating ... > > It would be ganz wunderbar if rev users had the option to > create stacks that were destined to be natively compiled as > externals. I guess that rev would have to insist on some sort > of type declarations in such a case to get optimal > performance, but this could be done only in the stacks that > are to be compiled, allowing rev users to keep a flexible, > typeless environment except for the parts of the app that > needed compiled performance. Naturally, the runtime would > produce all the necessary boilerplate code for the interface > between the rev runtime+bytecode app and the new external :-) > > BTW: I purchased rev because I was tired of working on my > hands and knees pushing heavy boulders with my nose, writing > in C (or doing the same with a hippo on my back, writing in > C++). Isn't there some way that rev could free us from the > hell of having to write externals in C? I also use > PowerBasic, which allows you to declare the functions > exported by a DLL in your code and then simply use them as if > they were an "Include". > > How about it rr - something like: > > revDeclareExternal someFunction in "C:\something.dll" > > Wouldn't that be sweet :-) > > Best > > Gordon > > > > > --- "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 2:40 pm, Ken Ray wrote: > > >> That's one of the beauties of Rev... data can be > > stored *inside* the > > >> stack > > >> files, either as data in fields that have been > > saved, or as custom > > >> properties that are stored with the stack itself. > > > > > > A great point. I recently was able to create a > > compressed, encrypted > > > binary data storage file using a stack and a > > single line of code. This > > > data file stores text data along with imades in 3 > > different formats. > > > > > > This data file is actually a stack with no > > business logic and is > > > opened by my app invisibly and data selectively > > moved to the gui, > > > edited there and then moved back to the inv stack > > to save. Talk about > > > simple. Doing the same in VB would be very > > complicated. I imagine RB > > > too. > > > > > > Btw, regarding speed issues, I think there have > > been a number of speed > > > coding challenges between RB and RR with no > > conclusive winner. Perhaps > > > Frank can be more specific with regard to areas he > > feels RR runs slow? > > > > Again, CPU-Intensive routines, such as processing each byte > of a long > > string individually. Most of the more "stock" > > operations run quite > > well in Rev, but when doing intensive, custom CPU-intensive > routines, > > it generally pays to write an external, particularly when targeting > > older hardware. > > > > > Also, last time I looked, RR compiles scripts 'on > > the fly' like Java. > > > Didn't know RB was a compiler. Must be tough on > > edit/compile/run/debug > > > cycles. Perhaps it's an interpreter like RR and > > compiles during > > > runtime? I don't know. > > > > Rev "compiles" scripts into a bytecode format which is later > > interpreted by the runtime environment. Faster than a "pure" > > interpreter, but still slower than compiled code. > > > > Java code gets run through a compiler which translates it > into a Java > > bytecode. That bytecode is then interpreted at runtime, much as is > > Rev code. However, some Java runtime environments > > (JREs) will actually > > "recompile" the bytecode into native code for the platform. > This is > > slower than compiling code directly for the hardware, but adds the > > write-one-run-anywhere flexibility of Java (and to some degree of > > Rev), and the result of this (sometimes referred to as > "Just-In-Time" > > compilation) is much closer in speed to native compiled code. > > > > Real Basic is a true compiler, which translates code into > instructions > > for the actual hardware on which it is run. This is the fastest > > solution, since the computer hardware does virtually > > *all* of the work > > of figuring out how to execute each instruction, and there is no > > runtime translation step. However, this also locks the compiled > > version to the platform for which it was compiled (similarly to a > > standalone produced by Rev), and it causes a > Compile-Run-Debug cycle > > to be introduced. Visual Basic (M$ product) is also a true > compiler. > > > > I personally wonder what it would take to create a true > compiler for > > Rev stacks? Obviously this would introduce some limitations on > > certain operations, but for stacks which don't use those > operations, > > it could substantially increase performance... > > > > > Best, > > > Chipp > > > Chipp Walters, Altuit.com > > > Sent from my Sidekick > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > - > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Frank D. 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