On Nov 10, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
And your notions about 'specialized browsers' and discounting
Andre's server development issues so quickly only points to the
great hurdles which AJAX still has to make, currently with no
visible roadmap.
Andre has a server developer's perspective on this and it's not
that I discounted it quickly or lightly, just that it has to be
seen for what it is: a single-perspective take. Again, I'm not
interested in defending AJAX (or for that matter Laszlo) per se.
The *concept* of thin clients running Web services-based
applications has the endorsement and attention of a broad range of
developers, big and small, and is starting to get some serious
traction. Lumping it in with all that has happened in the past may
be illustrative and may help it to avoid some of the known pitfalls
but it doesn't diminish its future potential or validity.
hheheheh Dan I never though you took my points lighly :-) and yes, I
am from a server perspective. I think many things can benefit from
AJAX approach, mainly things from intranet related stuff and general
network tasks like emails. Revolution could replace Javascript and
HTML/CSS on Ajax, one could use Apache and XML to backend his app,
which is almost what were all doing with auto update clients. The
main benefit I see from using AJAX is that the user does not need to
download anything. In this era of kiosks and appliances this is a big
plus, I also like the perspective of running nice little Rev apps
from pendrives, but thats not for everyone.
How could Rev jump on the bandwagon without loosing it's rev-ness. We
can use Rev to help us develop, even if the end product is AJAX, Rev
has a high level functions for string manipulation and AJAX is all
about text scripts. One can use Rev to help not only the server part
that is backed by Apache, but also to create code generation and
management tools that will help to cope with the task of writting
Javascript.
Using altuits altBrowser one can create the ultimate AJAX testing
suite in Rev, and run everything from one app. This should get
Revolution developers a nice enviroment to develop, even, if they are
doing javascript. I don't like Javascript or jscript or whatever they
are bundling with browsers these days but until browsers bundle
better languages, we'll have to use it. a spidermonkey external might
be cool too.
I think there's a market for AJAX Development Tools, many people want
to start to code with AJAX but there's no nice friendly environment
yet. Also could dashboard widgets qualify as AJAX?
My suggestion, is try and develop a full AJAX application, then
get back to us on what you find. My gut tells me it's a lot more
difficult than doing the same in Rev. For me, just like the other
mentioned technologies, I'll wait and see.
I plan to do just that. And I hope a LOT of people wait and see.
That just gives this old gray-haired techno-weenie enough of a head
start to stay ahead of the stampede when it does come.
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