> Isn't there all kinds of truly gawdawful 'Made with VB' etc. 
> crap available?

Yes, there is.  But also applies to Delphi,
C++ Builder, Java, Visual C++, Visual Foxpro
and you will shudder when you see an application
aimed at the Mac in Lazarus (based on the Free Pascal
compiler) which ignores *all* of the Mac GUI guidelines
and does not support the "Aqua" interface at all.  When
I raised this issue in the relevant forum I was howled
down by people saying "who gives a...".

Scott


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