Dennis, et al.,
Thanks for the additional encouragement...can't have too much of that!
In my working prototype if have a layout like this (the Types would
be icons, btw):
var name Type Value
========------------------------
gTabEvent G true
gTestArray A 113 ...
cfirst E 113
csecond E 222
gTGLoaded G true
pMouseBtnNum P 1
theTestVar T test data
In the above layout, you could click a column header and sort by type
of var (G=global; A=array; E=element of array; P=param; T=temp;
L=local; K=constant).
OR we could make folders like we do with props and handlers (thus
doing away with the need to sort by type and have headers):
arrays
gTestArray A 113 ...
cfirst E 113
csecond E 222
globals
gTabEvent G true
params
pMouseBtnNum P 1
temps
theTestVar T test data
Best case scenario would be to have a folder icon on the Var Watcher
Toolbar (extensible like other toolbars!) that would let you toggle
between tree (folder) and flat lists.
In either scenario, indented items would be capable of collapse and
expand functionality via disclosure triangles.
Whadda ya think?
Best,
Jerry Daniels
Tool makers for the 21st century
http://www.daniels-mara.com/products
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Jerry,
One of the things I consider inconvenient in the Var Watcher today,
is that if you have a lot of variables (globals), the list is too
long and you end up scrolling all over the place to find the
variables of interest. I would welcome having a way to auto scroll
and highlight the variable of interest in the script by pointing to
the name in the script (with modifier). I think at one time I
suggested that the tooltip would display the value of a variable
that you pointed to --just scrolling to that variable in the
watcher would also work for me. I really encourage you to take on
a variable watcher enhancement to Constellation. I would be happy
to see Constellation evolve into the next standard for Revolution IDE.
Dennis
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
Colleagues,
I'm encouraged by your enthusiasm for an embedded var watcher in
Constellation to replace the Rev Var watcher palette that we now use.
Here's what I'm proposing to do:
- inclusion of an embedded var watcher in Constellation as opposed
to using Rev's as a separate palette
- new var watcher general behavior
+ only appears during debugging session
+ props and preview disappear during debugging session
+ new var watcher appears where props and preview would
normally appear
+ new var watcher automatically appears during debugging session
+ new var watcher automatically disappears when debugging
session is over
+ props and preview reappear when debugging session is over
- new var watcher features
+ calling path
= drop down menu at top with calling path item in each
line of menu
= type of handler will be indicated in path item
= path syntax will be like transcript syntax
= choosing a calling path will reconstruct its context
showing its vars and values
+ var names
= name will appear in first column
= if var is an array, a disclosure triangle will precede
= clicking array disclosure triangle will reveal element
keys and values
+ var values
= first 100 chars and/or first line of var value will appear
= values will be links
= clicking link will make entire value of var editable
= array elements will be editable in same fashion when
disclosed
I have been somewhat reluctant to do this because most of this
functionality is in Rev's var watcher. However, the approach
outlined above, does offer several advantages, and hearing from
folks so enthusiastically offers me encouragement.
I appreciate the offer of additional monies for upgrade, and
certainly won't turn down paypal donations (paypal button at
http://www.daniels-mara.com). That said, spreading the word
"amongst yourselves" and thus increasing Constellation market
share would be an excellent tribute (payment) for this boon
(embedded variable watcher) and future improvements.
Reminder: Constellation still only costs 50 dollars US. That's a
cheap dinner for two in any major metro area. If you live in your
mom's (or your wife's!) basement, she spends that kind of money on
your food every couple of days.
Happy Holidays!
Jerry Daniels
Tool makers for the 21st century
http://www.daniels-mara.com/products
P.S. Dick, please send your install-again-for-each-rev-version
hack to me (better rename it so Rev doesn't go bonkers), so I can
see what you're talking about.
On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:43 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
I have an install-again-for-each-rev-version hack that does some
of this in
the Rev Variable Watcher. If you'd like to see it, let me know.
I hope
you'll extend Constellation with a new variable watcher. I'm
even willing
in principle to pay an upgrade fee for it.
-- Dick
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