Marielle, I really don't get how anyone thinks that genuine and
justified criticism of Revolution is somehow not tolerated on this list.
On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:17, Marelle Lange wrote:
What I have seen on this list is that you just want to get rid of
the persons who tell you there is a problem... and keep your
problem. I am interested in using the excellent product that
revolution is. I am not interested to have to accept to deal with
problems like the present ones for the months to come for the
priviledge to use it.
People do almost nothing other than discuss problems on this list -
some are problems of comprehension or experience, some are problems
with the docs, some are bugs...they get discussed quite reasonably,
whatever they are...but then
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-December/
071769.html
Why isn't Rev more popular?
Jerry Saperstein runrev at civildiscovery.com
Mon Dec 5 20:30:16 CST 2005
Criticism of Revolution generally apparently is generally
disapproved of here. I've seen a number of valid criticisms
dismissed in the
same way as yours have been.
And what argument did you use to dismiss her claim... nothing but
Innuendo and defamation, something *far too frequent* on this list.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/71131
From: Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user
Date: 2005-12-06 04:59:20 GMT (14 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours and 35
minutes ago)
You wouldn't be the Jerry Saperstein of Font Bank fame who was
accussed
back in the 90's of stealing clipart intellectual property and
reselling
it...would you? If so, how'd that turn out?
The fact that you discredited her in this unacceptable ways
probably didn't help. She ended up insulting you. I won't insult
you. But being in the position Richmond was put or Jerry was put, I
understand their reaction. I don't approve it. But I understand how
they came to explode. They did it because some not so acceptable
means were used to discredit them and there was nothing they could
say anymore to have the truth restored. Fortunately for me, it is
probably less easy to discredit the person who contributed this to
the community:
http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?
page=TutorialsTeacherManual
http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/
http://codes.widged.com/
I just reviewed the Jerry Saperstein thread, and I think the same
thing I thought at the time : Jerry came on with one of the most
obvious pieces of transparently provocative trollery I've seen. Her
assertion was that Revolution was 'unusable for business apps' - a
term never explained, despite many requests for clarification, and no
examples of problems she had encountered were ever forthcoming. She
then insinuated, fairly clearly, that claims made by list members as
to the fruits of their labours in Revolution were lies. It's not
surprising she got short shrift.
I am a defender of runrev. And it is BECAUSE I am a defender of
runrev that I do take the time to speak out and denounce problems
that contribute to keep persons AWAY from this excellent product. I
don't know what game you play Chipp, Dan, Richard, but it really
looks like you are trying to prevent the members of the non profit
community to express their views and describe their needs on this
list. Anytime they do, they are discredited.
I am a non profit user of Rev...I simply don't understand how Chipp,
Dan and Richard or anyone else are supposed to be discrediting
anyone, or preventing anyone from describing their needs.
Dan's email on Ruby was WOW. Very kindly, as usual, he went to
check up some very popular resource out there, and came back to
tell us that it was not worth checking up. Ruby was *far too
complex*, *nothing useful could be done with it*, *revolution could
be used the same way Ruby is*. But know that I am *very*
uncomfortable with your practices within *this* community, where
you too often take advantage of the credulity of the users.
"Then I discoverd Ruby on Rails. For me -- and certainly there are
other frameworks out there that others may favor -- no other Web app
development approach comes even close." - Dan Shafer
?????
I'm really in no position to comment on Richmond or Xaviers
differences with RunRev, so I won't.
Honestly, I'm wondering if you and I are reading the same list!
Baffled,
Mark
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