Steve Knox wrote:

On Apr 6, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
With other products I manage we generally aim for zero defects only with issues that cause data loss, and evaluate the rest on a case- by-case basis in terms of customer value and company ROI.

This appears to be a decent strategy, if the evaluation of customer value bugs is done correctly. Frequently it isn't. For example, User Frustration bugs (such as the clunky/buggy script editor) should have a higher priority than they seem to command, in that lost sales and upgrades, and the resultant lowering of company reputation, that these bugs can generate can impact the company's bottom line in a very significant way.

Absolutely. I believe editor/debugger issues demand top priority not only because of their critical role in the customer experience for a scripting product, but also because they are the linchpins for addressing any other issues in the IDE.


Management is an art, not a science. Reducing it to a science takes the human element out of the process. Doing that isolates the manager from the task. This isolation creates arrogance, arrogance lowers morale, low morale lowers quality, and you get the point.

Exactly. Any single metric, like Bugzilla votes or list rants or repair cost, will likely fail.

Given Rev's historic reputation, they'll have to work harder than most in this area to overcome the stigma they've earned. If recognized soberly this could bode well for us as well as for them.

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Lynn Fredericks has said that inventive users like me don't really
exist, which does not inspire confidence.

The reaction to Lynn's post has been curious. I read the same post, but I got a very different message.

It didn't seem to me that he was claiming that people don't exist, but merely that inventing a phrase to describe them which ultimately turns out to be roughly synonymous with "everyone who uses Rev" may not be as useful for strategic planning as existing language other successful companies use to describe market segments and personas.


I can get HyperCard to work for my application. Not well, and running Classic will be a pain, but it will do it. I was hoping to buy something faster and more modern with better graphics that would run on OS X. Revolution has so far shown the greatest promise.

As much as I gripe about it, I still haven't found anything that provides anything close to the level of productivity for the work I do. Hopefully you'll find the same.


But it's not there yet. And judging from the attitude of some of the Rev dignitaries on this list, it may never be.

Just in case you meant to include me among "dignitaries", let me put your mind at ease:

I have no more influence at RunRev Ltd. than anyone else here. My opinions are my own, and only that. You can judge products developed by Fourth World based on what I write, but that's as far as it goes.

Sure, between myself and my clients we have more at stake with the Rev engine than most of RunRev's investors. But no matter how much I have at stake it's been made clear to me that I have no more say with how RunRev prioritizes their business than they have with mine (actually less so, considering that they make the engine I use). If I did you'd know, as it would be a very, very different company (maybe a lot of the folks here are glad I have no influence <g>).

That said, note that I continue to use Rev. Even with warts and all, I haven't found anything else that provides the same ROI for me. And I've looked. And I continue to look. And I still use Rev.

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 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
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