It should be noted, Greg, that it was I, not Jacque, who made the comments
to which you are responding.

And, FWIW, I don't completely disagree with you that we should be farther
along. I suspect I have even fewer years left to accomplish my big software
goals than  you. (At least I think I'm the oldest active xTalker as far as I
can tell, or certainly in the top 10).

But we can't spend time bemoaning the fact that the tools aren't farther
along if we expect to accomplish great things, either. Squeak and Croquet
are awesome and are much more like what I'd like to use for development but
they have some big disadvantages when it comes to deployment as well.
Everything's a tradeoff.

On 7/5/06, GregSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jacqueline:

The real question that needs to be answered is, why now, with the tools of
today, like Squeak or Croquet, would I want to resort to "coding" using
the
grunts and groans of yesteryear?  I'm sorry for those many years you and
others have toiled away trying to master those alien techniques "required"
to make a machine do relatively simple things.  I don't have a lot of
years
left to start from the point people like you started at many years
ago.  We
should have come farther by now and should not be satisfied with anything
other than those tools which save us the most time and energy.  I made no
insult to any person by suggesting that standard "programming" is the
equivalent of communication using a series of grunts and groans.  The fact
that inventors of "modern" computer languages do not see beyond those
methods which have already spent the lives of millions of deskbound slaves
really constitutes the major technological insult.  It is the required use
of languages like these that force users like us to become "dumbed down".
Need we submit to this kind of humiliation?

Greg Smith
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