What if we ask nicely? ;-) I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a conversation. Should I?
Thanks, Roman. On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, let me say it straight: > > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 > based on bigtop. > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least > heavily modified the build process since. > > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that > "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users? > > Olaf > >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]>: >> >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop >> >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we >> know >> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the >> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place. >> >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than >> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc. >> >> Cos >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote: >>> Hi Cos, >>> >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos. >>> >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ? >>> >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We >>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named >>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That >>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically >>> pimped. >>> >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named . >>> >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear: >>> >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache >>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early. >>> >>> Olaf >>> >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using >>>> logos >>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to >>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer. >>>> >>>> Cos >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication >>>>> about >>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be >>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar >>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and >>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". >>>>> The >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base >>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...". >>>>> >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent >>>>> jira for the main site one >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website >>>>> >>>>> Hi Nate, >>>>> >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good! >>>>> >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do >>>>> we >>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not. >>>>> >>>>> Olaf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb [email protected]: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers, >>>>>> >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project. >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and >>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at >>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past >>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including >>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling >>>>>> >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/ >>>>>> >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around >>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As >>>>> we >>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the >>>>> new site >>>>>> >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content >>>>>> can >>>>> add to: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+ >>>>> Ideas >>>>>> >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, >>>>> centralizing >>>>> the details. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this >>>>> week >>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and >>>>> mobile >>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as >>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >
