I guess we all are, but following Olaf's implicit stance on it: I won't give a rat-ass if we have logs or links or just words in this section. Sure, it won't look as pretty, but linking isn't against the law ;)
Cos On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:16PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > What if we ask nicely? ;-) > > I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a > conversation. Should I? > > Thanks, > Roman. > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Ok, let me say it straight: > > > > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 > > based on bigtop. > > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at > > least heavily modified the build process since. > > > > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that > > "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users? > > > > Olaf > > > >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]>: > >> > >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop > >> > >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we > >> know > >> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows > >> the > >> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place. > >> > >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more > >> than > >> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc. > >> > >> Cos > >> > >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote: > >>> Hi Cos, > >>> > >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos. > >>> > >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ? > >>> > >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We > >>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named > >>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. > >>> That > >>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page > >>> optically > >>> pimped. > >>> > >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named . > >>> > >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear: > >>> > >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache > >>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early. > >>> > >>> Olaf > >>> > >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]>: > >>>> > >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using > >>>> logos > >>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring > >>>> to > >>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer. > >>>> > >>>> Cos > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, [email protected] wrote: > >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication > >>>>> about > >>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will > >>>>> be > >>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar > >>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design > >>>>> and > >>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is > >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". > >>>>> The > >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a > >>>>> base > >>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...". > >>>>> > >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent > >>>>> jira for the main site one > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Cc: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Nate, > >>>>> > >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good! > >>>>> > >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. > >>>>> Do we > >>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not. > >>>>> > >>>>> Olaf > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb [email protected]: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the > >>>>>> project. > >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and > >>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months > >>>>> at > >>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some > >>>>> past > >>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, > >>>>> including > >>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback > >>>>>> on > >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around > >>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. > >>>>> As we > >>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host > >>>>> the > >>>>> new site > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content > >>>>>> can > >>>>> add to: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+ > >>>>> Ideas > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should > >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, > >>>>> centralizing > >>>>> the details. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we > >>>>>> can > >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this > >>>>> week > >>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and > >>>>> mobile > >>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as > >>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >
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