Except that credit cards are not a good example here. Speak to your gateway provider, but here in Australia they all let you run transactions against the same credit card *without storing the card number/expiry date/cvv*. Instead you store the previous transaction reference and you can use that to process future card payments between that card and the same merchant. Infinitely safer than storing card numbers.

Americans certainly are strange with their SSNs. You give them out at the drop of a hat to buy popcorn, and then still use them as a 'secure' form of identification.

Ari



On 08/02/2009, at 7:39 AM, Joe Baldwin wrote:

I agree. It is hardly worth the effort of storing a credit card number for a customer if you can't run a transaction for the customer.

Also, I think Michael and Chad convinced me to do Java-domain encryption. I think Chad said they had included the algorithms in Java 6. However, I am now caught up in another sysadmin problem with OSX and Java 6. (I can't get Java 6 to run yet). Still working on it.

Joe




On Feb 7, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

One-way hashing works great for passwords (and is in fact THE way to store passwords in the DB). It doesn't work for anything else, as usually you do want to have access to the data you've encrypted.

Andrus

On Feb 7, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:

One of our customers who is big into security had a pretty good idea. Their concern was that if the sensitive data could be decrypted it was vulnerable and considered a security risk. They proposed using a one way encryption algorithm and then only comparing the hash values of the sensitive data - not the actual data itself. I am not certain which algorithm they were
talking about.

Dov Rosenberg


On 2/7/09 12:08 PM, "Michael Gentry" <[email protected]> wrote:

Here it is:

http://people.apache.org/~mgentry/Security_Manifesto.pdf

Joe had a few questions off-the-list (about how to do a query on an
encrypted value) and I'll try to update it soon, but that's the
current version I have.

Comments appreciated, as always.

mrg









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