On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Joe Baldwin wrote: > Yes well I think there is still an Amiga community so the community bit is > sort of as important as a bake sale.
:-) An interesting perspective. What is Cayenne, or any Apache project for that matter, other than a community of developers? I believe that your comparison to the Amiga community is a bit of a strawman, and it only devalues all open source projects. > However, wikipedia cites that it is used in iTunes and the apple store. And just about every internal/external application at Apple (according to a previous WebObjects manager at Apple). The biggest hit to the WO community in the past few years has been Apple hiring every competent WO developer that wanted a job there. > These are not bad projects to have on your resume. Nope. They're not. :-) > It is sort of a shock because NeXT was selling WebObjects for between $20-50K > when I was working with it. Yeah, it's odd how "popular" it was when it was 50k for a server license, and now that it is free, it's "dead". It's actually a great competative advantage for a lot of the WebObjects developers as they are able to develop solid, scalable, enterprise solutions in a fraction of the time that most other technologies take to get prototypes up and running. I've not used Cayenne myself in several years since initially just dabbling with it and then deciding to go with WebObjects, but most WO developers say that it's the closest thing out there to WO and shares a lot of core concepts. I've been meaning to check it out again and see how it's changed, but I'm just too busy with all the WO work I keep getting. :-) Dave > On Aug 9, 2011, at 5:26 PM, David Avendasora wrote: > >> >> On Aug 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Michael Gentry wrote: >> >>> We were all sad to see WO (and EOF) >>> wither and die, but at least T5+Cayenne seems to work rather well >>> together. >> >> The news of WO's death are greatly exaggerated. There's still a thriving, >> active developer community (wocommunity.org), the WebObjects binaries are >> still available from Apple (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL688) and there's a >> yearly developer's conference (http://www.wowodc.com/) - next year's is >> planned for June 29th-July 1st in Montreal and there are plans for a WO >> Boot-Camp for new developers in the days just prior. >> >> Apple itself has stopped formally releasing new versions to the public, but >> they participate in the community by contributing improvements and even >> entire frameworks to Project Wonder https://github.com/projectwonder/wonder, >> which is where all new development is at externally. Wonder is quite active >> with almost daily commits. >> >> Just some of the most recent improvements include: >> - ERRest - a framework that provides easy-to-implement REST services in >> json, xml, .plist, binary .plist, etc. >> - ERModernD2W - a CSS/AJAX-based DirectToWeb framework that allows you to >> create great looking web sites incredibly quickly by removing much of the UI >> programming >> - ERSolr framework (in beta: >> https://github.com/tbritt/wonder/tree/master/Frameworks/EOAdaptors/JavaSolrAdaptor) >> that makes Solr just another data source (EOAdaptor) with arbitrarily >> complex queries using standard EOQualifiers. >> - WOUnit framework http://hprange.github.com/wounit/ for simplifying unit >> testing with EOF >> >> The development tools are now all Eclipse-based using the WOLips plugin >> https://github.com/wolips/wolips, which is a much better java development >> environment than Xcode ever was (shudder). >> >> The biggest problem is that the current state of documentation is horrible. >> It's a mix of old Apple documentation (which is completely obsolete for the >> developer tools) and community-created documentation which may or may not >> reflect the current state of how to do things. The developer list is quite >> active though with lots of people with 5-10 years of WO/EOF experience. >> >> David Avendasora > > >
