On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Joe Baldwin wrote: > David, > > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, David Avendasora wrote: > >>> Yes well I think there is still an Amiga community so the community bit is >>> sort of as important as a bake sale. >> >> :-) An interesting perspective. What is Cayenne, or any Apache project for >> that matter, other than a community of developers? I believe that your >> comparison to the Amiga community is a bit of a strawman, and it only >> devalues all open source projects. > > Obviously you have taken offense at the "bake sale" metaphor, however it is a > reality for both commercial and open source projects. There are wildly > successful open source projects at the same time that there are poorly > managed commercial projects. This is a very odd time for software developers > and reputations are being made and destroyed by association with a project. > The Amiga was an insanely advanced micro computer platform that was > mismanaged and as a result set desktop advancements back years. The only > think left is a small community who can't let go of the historic legacy. > Apple has made incredible software pattern contributions that will be felt > for the next few decades (if not longer).
I wasn't really offended. I like these kinds of discussions between knowledgeable people that don't descend into name-calling pissing matches. I just think that the metaphor isn't valid. Most organizations that have bake sales to support themselves can exist without the bake sales. I don't believe projects like Wonder or Cayenne can exist without their communities, and that the community is, in fact, one of their core features. > WO was a great library but the market has chosen Java. :-) Addressed in my previous email. > Ultimately having a tiny community who LOVE a software library does wonders > for the developer's ego but nothing for his reputation and makes little or no > contribution to the larger community of developers. > > Other than Apple, Google, and Pixar Open source projects are where the main > action is. But obscurity will kill innovation for an open source project as > fast as it does for a commercial project. So while, just like bake sales, it > is great to be around people who think that the Amiga made an historic > contribution it is time to move on. > > In fact Apple is now contemplating the idea that IOS is going to be the next > great platform and that OSX will go away. Personally I think that is a crazy > idea and that OSX is a great platform and will never go away. But I could > be, metaphorically, baking pumpkin bread for a future OSX bake sale. :) > > Having said that, I personally think that the Cayenne project deserves a heck > of a lot more recognition that it is getting. I agree 100%. I just feel the same about Project Wonder.:-) Dave
