On Apr 19, 2010, at 11:41 AM, James Fisher wrote: > Hey all, > > I've had a long weekend away. Nice to see this thread's still active. > > I've procured a copy of Myriad, and swapped Candela out. My opinions > haven't really changed in that regard, but the majority seem to be in favour > of keeping Myriad. (Though I almost cried at comparisons of Candela with > Comic Sans. I could show you what that would look like; you'd be > horrified. It's a shame that that abomination has destroyed any > reputability of any other rounded fonts.) >
I'm fairly certain that we can't check Myriad into the ASF repo, no matter what. (Well, unless we can convince the authors to put it under an open license.) On a separate note I'm not sure how I feel about CSS fonts in general. Maybe I'm an old timer, but Helvetica and Georgia are all we really need! Too bad, the Myriad screenshot looks really nice, but I think we shouldn't get too hooked on the impossible. > WRT Chris' fork: > > * I like the copy; I've pulled it Thanks! (Although your screenshot still shows the old copy.) I also changed the quote to one that doesn't mention Django at all: “I’ve never seen software that so completely embraces the philosophies behind HTTP... this is what the software of the future looks like.” — Jacob Kaplan-Moss, Django creator > * The background color I was using was too gloomy, but I'm not sure swapping > back to plain is the best solution. I've lightened the cyans I was working > with. > * I understand the desire to keep the old logotype, but the "relax" slogan > looks even more cramped now that the rest of the site has more space. > * The left-hand-side navigation could be OK if the right CSS was applied. > The bullet points seriously break up the left align, which I would say is > bad. Also, it suffers from the problem that was the reason I moved from > there: the huge amount of space it takes from the body text. That's alright > with promo material, but if (e.g.) you wanted to style a wiki using the same > (or similar) design, it would be terribly cramped. I have a feeling pages other than the front page would not dedicate the upper 500px to a relaxing picture of guy on a Couch under a lamp, so we could so something for nav in that space. I agree, the bullet list isn't good. That's the point at which I stopped working... > > This is how things stand: > http://github.com/eegg/couchdb_web/raw/master/screenshot.png > With Myriad, I like the nav at the top right a lot more. Maybe it'll look ok in Helvetica also? > Large caveat: the bold text for "CouchDB ... time to relax" should actually > be in *Semibold*. Annoyingly, I can't set that with my warez copy of > Myriad. Perhaps someone could edit the SVG and re-rasterize, and I'll pull > it. > > > James > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Robert Dionne <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> This is looking quite nice. I'm not a grammar expert but I think you can >> lose the two commas. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bob >> >> On Apr 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, J Chris Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Noah Slater wrote: >>> >>>> CouchDB is a database built for the Web. >>>> >>>> Or, like I already mentioned, we could use this quote: >>>> >>>> "Let me tell you something: Django may be built for the Web, but >> CouchDB is built of the Web." >>>> >>>> - http://jacobian.org/writing/of-the-web/ >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>> >>> I've forked James' git project and some work on it. Here is a screenshot: >>> >>> http://jchrisa.net/media/couchdb-web/couchdb-web.png >>> >>> The fork is at http://github.com/jchris/couchdb_web >>> >>> The main changes are to the copy, the font (back to myriad) and back >> toward something like his first layout (but without the pillows.) >>> >>> Thanks James for the inspiration. I think this still requires some work, >> but it was fun to get my hands dirty. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 17:21, Phil Rand wrote: >>>> >>>>> "CouchDB is a database at home with the web." >>>>> >>>>> Or "...comfortable with the web." >>>>> >>>>> Regarding fonts, I feel like a beer drinker at a wine tasting. They >> both >>>>> look fine to me. >>>>> >>>>> 2010/4/13 Robert Newson <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Very nice design. s/geared for the web/designed for the web/ ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Paweł Stawicki < >> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I like the new design. Font is not so important for me, can be old >> one, >>>>>> can >>>>>>> be new one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Paweł Stawicki >>>>>>> http://pawelstawicki.blogspot.com >>>>>>> http://szczecin.jug.pl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 22:35, J Chris Anderson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, James Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:40 PM, J Chris Anderson < >> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:21 PM, James Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apalling internet connection atm. Try: >>>>>>>>>> http://i41.tinypic.com/156aeds.jpg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really like the simplicity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think you will have a hard time convincing people to change the >>>>>> word >>>>>>>> mark >>>>>>>>>> associated with the current CouchDB / Relax logo. If you can go >> back >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> old (less relaxing) font and type-setting for that, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mmm, I do wonder how ingrained it is. I suppose the pros and cons >>>>>> are: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Myriad (if that is what it is) pros: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Expensive. Possibly gives a subconscious feel of luxury. >>>>>>>>> * Already used. If (if) CouchDB already has a well-ingrained brand >>>>>>>>> identity, it's wise to keep it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the "Already used" point is the most salient. There are >> already >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> ton of t-shirts, releases, etc all using the current logo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think if we were gonna move from the current logo / word mark, >> we'd >>>>>> only >>>>>>>> move to something even more expensive. But that's my opinion... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CouchDB is relaxing, but overplaying that too much can scare away >> people >>>>>>>> who want to use it for serious things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Presumably has a much better character set if it's ever going to >> be >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> extensively (I doubt it). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cons: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Expensive. Even my own warez collection of fonts hasn't managed >> to >>>>>>>> hoover >>>>>>>>> it up. I doubt many people except professional graphic artists own >> a >>>>>>>>> genuine copy. >>>>>>>>> * Extensively used by Apple (http://www.apple.com/ I don't think >>>>>> there's >>>>>>>>> much they produce that *isn't* in Myriad). I suppose you could >> call >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> pro if you want to piggyback; but I don't think the CouchDB >> identity >>>>>> fits >>>>>>>>> very well with brushed aluminium. I don't want to kick back on an >>>>>>>> aluminium >>>>>>>>> couch. >>>>>>>>> * (my own feeling is that it is) a bit too formal. It has a >> "friendly >>>>>>>>> high-class business" feel (can't find the words there). E.g. >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_%28typeface%29 mentions it's >> used >>>>>> by >>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>> Nippon business class flights. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Candela pros: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * I think it looks like a couch, in a hard-to-define way. >>>>>>>>> * Free (and libre) (at least for the purposes of @font-face and any >>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> CouchDB literature, AFAICT from the license). >>>>>>>>> * Untrammelled by other prominent commercial use -- making it >>>>>> potentially >>>>>>>>> highly distinctive as "that CouchDB font". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cons: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * CouchDB community rebellion against it? (?!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and perhaps drop the saturation on the Cyan (light-blue-grey would >> be >>>>>>>> nice >>>>>>>>>> I think) you'd be getting somewhere. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with you there, I think. Alternatively, turn up the >>>>>> brightness. >>>>>>>>> Doing a bit of both helps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Julian Moritz < >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Fisher schrieb: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no idea if I can attach PNGs here, but here goes. Find >>>>>> attached >>>>>>>>>>>>> one proposed design. Only Inkscape atm, but I should be able >> to >>>>>>>>>> convert >>>>>>>>>>>>> to HTML with little fuss. A few notes: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> no png attached. Seems you've been interupted while writing this >>>>>>>> email? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:54, James Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly will do. I'm doing some rough sketches now; might >> get >>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up in the next couple of days. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look at these designs: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/pme28/full >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage/Downloads: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/pmetj/full >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage/Screenshots: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/pmevr/full >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/pmexo/full >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki/Syntax reference: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/pmf2r/full >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we all agreed at the time that this was a good way >>>>>> forward >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the site. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Search the dev mailing list for "Website redesign" and maybe >> get >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> touch with: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> maddiin <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He was doing most of the work on this last time! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> N >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Phil Rand >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>
