On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Ryan Rawson <[email protected]> wrote:
> But surely for logical consistency, we should not favor one vendor (as > we have been for a year now), over another. So would it be correct to > continue to suggest to users they use CDH? After all, even though it > is ASF2.0 and free, it is still giving one vendor a leg up over others > (including hortonworks, the ASF project, etc). > Most of the time that we suggest CDH, we also say that you could run the 0.20-append branch from the ASF. If Hortonworks had a free Apache 2.0 licensed release that worked well with HBase we could recommend that, too. I wouldn't have a problem with any of the above. -Todd > > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Todd Lipcon <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Ted Dunning <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Todd, > >> > >> Good to have you weigh in on this. You provide a good counterweight. > >> > >> To take a new hypothetical, suppose that one of the many, many patches > that > >> Cloudera has championed for Hadoop is critical for Hbase operation or > makes > >> Hbase faster. > >> > >> Is it reasonable to answer a question of the form "Is HDFS-xxx fixed?" > with > >> "Fixed in CDH, followups off-list"? > >> > > > > One distinguishing factor is that CDH is Apache 2.0 licensed free and > open > > source software. And the answer would never be "fixed in CDH but not in > > Apache trunk" -- any non-trivial changes in CDH are committed to trunk > > before we backport them. So, I feel like pointing people to CDH is > > appropriate for this open-source list. > > > > As for Cloudera Enterprise (our paid closed-source product) I'd expect to > be > > held to the same standards as a MapR employee touting MapR -- i.e. I > > wouldn't bring it up on the public mailing list. > > > > > >> That seems to be important information for not just the original poster > but > >> others who may have the same problem. > >> > >> What is the consensus on that? > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Todd Lipcon <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > > Another answer that I want to underscore is "MapR supports Hbase. A > >> > lot." > >> > > > >> > > >> > The issue is that I might be then tempted to start arguing that > Cloudera > >> > Enterprise supports HBase better than MapR. Then we devolve into an > >> > annoying > >> > vendor war which doesn't help anyone. > >> > > >> > Best to just set a policy and stick to it for public responses. I > don't > >> see > >> > anything wrong with your replying off-list to the requester with a > sales > >> > pitch. This provides the information that might help the user without > >> > risking polluting the -user list with a lot of discussion of > commercial > >> > products. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Todd Lipcon > > Software Engineer, Cloudera > > > -- Todd Lipcon Software Engineer, Cloudera
