The process Andrei described is really the best way to get things
going tbh since they make the review process for us ways easier.

Besides I think the real problem behind the entire github/pullreqest
discussion is the problem that there's no really good
jira/patch-based-review combination available at ASF. But
independently this is a point which will take another bunch of years
to get corrected if you follow the core lists. The entire
git/svn/review/... discussion is going on there for years by now with
quite some bashing... curious about the outcome :-)

Kind regards,
Andreas

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Andreas Pieber <[email protected]> wrote:
> @4) no need for that; once you're through the review process the apply
> happens within 24 hours (different time/work zones :-)). BTW, your
> pull request is almost through the pipe. Just waiting for two minor
> corrections and a new patch at the jira issue to get it in :-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Andrei Pozolotin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> no, I have improvement on that git.html:
>>
>> 1) do all your work on github mirror via fork/pull
>>
>> 2) discuss your github pulls on ASF jira
>>
>> 3) when jira is accepted, do the "git format-patch origin/trunk"
>> and attach patch.txt to the jira with ASF grant check box
>>
>> 4) now pray to your favorite ASF committer to really accept the patch
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: switch to github
>> From: Johan Edstrom <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Fri 17 Aug 2012 06:52:45 PM CDT
>>
>> It is really clear.
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/git.html
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Brian Topping <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> When you are not committer on a project, and you contribute a patch, you
>> have to explicitly grant your license to ASF. To do that, you just mention
>> it by checking "Grant ASF" when attaching the file to the Jira.
>>
>> Yes, i appreciate that, but I thought we were trying to clarify whether
>> Github pulls were acceptable means of providing patches.  It seems that they
>> are not acceptable for non-committers, so the fact that there are pull
>> requests obscures the fact that those pull requests are unusable and
>> therefore not statistically relevant.
>>
>> Having said that, it would be good to concretely clarify that Github pulls
>> are not acceptable for non-committers, avoiding any interpretation that
>> Github is a means by which non-committers can provide value to the project.
>> It's important because it is actually very difficult in my experience to get
>> patches applied, which dissuades people from contributing and makes it
>> appear that nobody is interested when there may in fact be many folks
>> interested in contributing but find it too unproductive to do so.  These
>> misinterpretations are very damaging to a project since valuable
>> contributions (however small or unimportant to one group) are never made,
>> and folks of a mindset similar to the person who never contributed do not in
>> turn ever start using the project because these features never made it in.
>>
>> This is very much an anti-pattern in ASF projects, but I've found it pretty
>> common as well, so please don't interpret this as me calling out Karaf in
>> particular.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>

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