Hi again (I love rainly Saturday afternoons where all geeks are at their keyboard ;-)),
> I tried to use felix.cm.dir to point CM to a writable directory. > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle cache > directory. So you are saying setting felix.cm.dir should have some effect? I didn’t see any. Pointing it to some directory, nothing was written to it. I thought to have understood from JB that the only config files written in Karaf are the ones from ConfigRepository (which obviously does not care about felix.cm.dir)? > if the configuration does contain a flag for "persisting" the configuraiton. > This is a combination of FelixFileInstall with ConfigAdmin service. Do you have a concrete example of what setting I need to change to prevent this flag being added to configurations? > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent to > Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to > define the configuration. It is not „my own“ configuration that I want to keep separate, it is the user’s configuration that is done through directly accessing ConfigAdmin (through UIs, console, etc.) that I want to keep separate from the „static“ configuration of the Karaf-based product. Regards, Kai > On 5 Nov 2016, at 13:20, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one is the > > ConfigRepository > > CM is from Felix, CR from Karaf - and it does not implement any interface > from Felix. So how does CR become an internal storage of Felix CM? > > > I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's internal > > I don’t want to make this read-only, I tried to use felix.cm.dir to point CM > to a writable directory. > > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle cache > directory. > > > > Make etc folder read-only that is possible > > How? I so far cannot see a possibility as CR seems to always write new > configs in there. > > > Only as, JB already noted, if the configuration does contain a flag for > "persisting" the configuraiton. This is a combination of FelixFileInstall > with ConfigAdmin service. > > > Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc > > This seems to be the only possible workaround for me right now, but I > actually wanted to avoid poving the Karaf *.properties files as well to a > writable folder and rather wanted to keep it „internal“ to my Karaf > distribution (so that users do not even think about touching them). > > > I've got to correct myself it's the KARAF_ETC property > (http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files > <http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files>) > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent to > Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to > define the configuration. As long as no configuration file is "attached" to > that configuration it'll never be persisted to the etc folder. > > Regards, > Kai > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 12:12, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email] > > <x-msg://64/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048580&i=0>> wrote: > > > > Hi Kai, > > > > just re-read your first question. > > I'm not sure if I got all questions right so let me try to explain what I > > got :) > > > > 1) Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one is > > the ConfigRepository, I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's > > internal > > 2) File-Install and CA are connected only by the property JB gave the > > description to, but the FileInstall part isn't part of ConfigRepository > > 3) Make etc folder read-only that is possible > > 4) have different etc folders, that is possible, part of FileInstall > > configuration. > > 5) Use sub-folders of etc for your own configs, possible. > > 6) Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc, it's possible just need to > > configure it via the start script or set-env.sh > > > > > > regards, Achim > > > > > > > > 2016-11-05 11:29 GMT+01:00 Kai Kreuzer <[hidden email] > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=0>>: > > How, can you elaborate on this? My goal is to have etc read-only (obviously > > including its sub-folders) and karaf.etc is currently hard-coded as the > > folder to store the configs. > > > > Cheers, > > Kai > > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 11:09, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email] > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=1>> wrote: > > > > > > You can use subfolders for a deportation of concern. > > > > > > Regards, Achim > > > > > > Am Samstag, 5. November 2016 schrieb Kai Kreuzer : > > > Hi JB, > > > > > > Thanks for the insights. > > > > > > I think what is not yet clear to me is how the ConfigRepository and the > > > Felix ConfigurationAdmin interoperate. > > > If I am not mistaken, Karaf uses the Felix ConfigurationAdmin > > > implementation. From the docs of Felix CM, I see that it persists the > > > configurations (i.e. does NOT only hold it in memory) and its location > > > can be configured by the felix.cm.dir property. Is this whole mechanism > > > disabled in Karaf and the ConfigRepository actually intercepts those > > > calls? > > > > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the storage > > > > location or disable it. > > > > > > > > > I think this would solve my issue - it would enable users to use > > > different folders for reading configs through fileinstall and managing > > > the overall ConfigAdmin settings in a different place. > > > > > > Probably it would suffice to not hardcode System.getProperty("karaf.etc“) > > > in ConfigRepository, but come up with a new property here, right? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Kai > > > > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 10:30, jbonofre [via Karaf] <<a href="javascript:;" > > > > onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', &#[hidden email] > > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=2> > > > > <mailto:[hidden email] > > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=3>>')">ml-node+s922171n4048573h63@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > let me explain a bit. > > > > > > > > When you create a config using ConfigAdmin (using the ConfigAdmin > > > > service), it doesn't create a file (it's in "memory"). In that > > > > situation, if any change is not persisted to a cfg file. > > > > On the other hand, if you create a cfg file in Karaf etc folder, then > > > > the corresponding ConfigAdmin configuration is created and implicitely > > > > add a felix.fileinstall.filename property. Then, any change to the > > > > configuration is flush back to the cfg file. > > > > > > > > So, in Karaf, you have a feature that automatically create the > > > > corresponding cfg file when you create a configuration. And after that, > > > > we are on the "normal" behavior. > > > > > > > > The Karaf documentation is correct: when you have the > > > > felix.fileinstall.filename property in a ConfigAdmin configuration, if > > > > the enableConfigSave is true, it's flush back to cfg file, false > > > > doesn't. > > > > > > > > The difference is when the configuration is create and without the > > > > fileinstall.file property. > > > > In the case, you may want to disable the "auto-create" cfg file done by > > > > Karaf (ConfigRepository). > > > > The ConfigRepository is create (in the config feature) like this: > > > > > > > > ConfigRepository configRepository = new > > > > ConfigRepositoryImpl(configurationAdmin, new > > > > File(System.getProperty("karaf.etc"))); > > > > > > > > The File is the storage, if null, Karaf doesn't do any storage. > > > > > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the storage > > > > location or disable it. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/04/2016 08:29 PM, Kai Kreuzer wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I just came across the same issue. 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