Thanks Achim, This is all pretty much my understanding as well, but I am still struggling to prevent having configs written to etc.
> what setting I need to change to prevent this flag being added to > configurations? > that is felix.fileinstall.filename This is not a setting I can do somewhere, is it? I see this property being set in all configs that are read from etc/*.cfg files - but this automatically means that fileinstall writes back any changes (e.g. through config:* commands) to those files. > if you don't have the property felix.fileinstall.filename in the > configuration, it shouldn't be persisted to the etc folder. > If you see a different behavior, I'd call it a bug. :-) Ok, so try this yourself: - Take a plain Karaf 4.0.7 - Edit etc/config.properties and set felix.fileinstall.enableConfigSave = false - Start Karaf - Do karaf@root()> config:edit test karaf@root()> config:property-set test 123 karaf@root()> config:update - You will now find a new file etc/test.cfg with the content „test = 123“ - although this config definitely does NOT have any felix.fileinstall.filename property and although I have configured it to NOT write configs back. Am I still missing something? Regards, Kai > On 5 Nov 2016, at 15:36, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > see inline :) > > Hi again (I love rainly Saturday afternoons where all geeks are at their > keyboard ;-)), > > hehe .. yes :-) > > > > I tried to use felix.cm.dir to point CM to a writable directory. > > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle > > cache directory. > > So you are saying setting felix.cm.dir should have some effect? I didn’t see > any. Pointing it to some directory, nothing was written to it. I thought to > have understood from JB that the only config files written in Karaf are the > ones from ConfigRepository (which obviously does not care about felix.cm.dir)? > > ... not exactly. Let me try to rephrase that :-) > > the felix.cm.dir is for ConfigurationAdmin service, if not set it's something > like > > data/cache/0815/<dunno-the-name>/ > > directory. The crucial part it's part of the cache, if not configured > otherwise. > > Now, in regards of how ConfigurationAdminService and Felix FileInstall play > along. > If FileInstall is configured to look for *.cfg files in a certain directory. > The description of that is found here: > http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files > <http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files> > > In that case FileInstall will use my.own.service.pid.is.here.cfg file as > configuration to be sent over to ConfigAdminService. > So FileInstall just reads this cfg file, interpretes the name of it as PID > for the service and sends the properties over to ConfigAdminService so that > one can do what ever is needed, usually re-configure some service. > This is not bound to the felix.xm.dir :) > > > > if the configuration does contain a flag for "persisting" the > > configuraiton. This is a combination of FelixFileInstall with ConfigAdmin > > service. > > Do you have a concrete example of what setting I need to change to prevent > this flag being added to configurations? > > that is > > felix.fileinstall.filename > > if you want to find out if it is set for a certain configuration you can look > at the config know to ConfigurationAdmin service with the config:* commands. > Like propery-list etc. > > > > > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent to > > Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to > > define the configuration. > > > It is not „my own“ configuration that I want to keep separate, it is the > user’s configuration that is done through directly accessing ConfigAdmin > (through UIs, console, etc.) that I want to keep separate from the „static“ > configuration of the Karaf-based product. > > > if you don't have the property felix.fileinstall.filename in the > configuration, it shouldn't be persisted to the etc folder. > If you see a different behavior, I'd call it a bug. :-) > > Regards, > Kai > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 13:20, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email] > > <x-msg://66/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048582&i=0>> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one is > > > the ConfigRepository > > > > CM is from Felix, CR from Karaf - and it does not implement any interface > > from Felix. So how does CR become an internal storage of Felix CM? > > > > > I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's internal > > > > I don’t want to make this read-only, I tried to use felix.cm.dir to point > > CM to a writable directory. > > > > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle > > cache directory. > > > > > > > Make etc folder read-only that is possible > > > > How? I so far cannot see a possibility as CR seems to always write new > > configs in there. > > > > > > Only as, JB already noted, if the configuration does contain a flag for > > "persisting" the configuraiton. This is a combination of FelixFileInstall > > with ConfigAdmin service. > > > > > Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc > > > > This seems to be the only possible workaround for me right now, but I > > actually wanted to avoid poving the Karaf *.properties files as well to a > > writable folder and rather wanted to keep it „internal“ to my Karaf > > distribution (so that users do not even think about touching them). > > > > > > I've got to correct myself it's the KARAF_ETC property > > (http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files > > <http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files> > > <http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files > > <http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files>>) > > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent to > > Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to > > define the configuration. As long as no configuration file is "attached" to > > that configuration it'll never be persisted to the etc folder. > > > > Regards, > > Kai > > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 12:12, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email] > > > <x-msg://64/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048580&i=0>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kai, > > > > > > just re-read your first question. > > > I'm not sure if I got all questions right so let me try to explain what I > > > got :) > > > > > > 1) Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one is > > > the ConfigRepository, I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's > > > internal > > > 2) File-Install and CA are connected only by the property JB gave the > > > description to, but the FileInstall part isn't part of ConfigRepository > > > 3) Make etc folder read-only that is possible > > > 4) have different etc folders, that is possible, part of FileInstall > > > configuration. > > > 5) Use sub-folders of etc for your own configs, possible. > > > 6) Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc, it's possible just need > > > to configure it via the start script or set-env.sh > > > > > > > > > regards, Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016-11-05 11:29 GMT+01:00 Kai Kreuzer <[hidden email] > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=0>>: > > > How, can you elaborate on this? My goal is to have etc read-only > > > (obviously including its sub-folders) and karaf.etc is currently > > > hard-coded as the folder to store the configs. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Kai > > > > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 11:09, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email] > > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=1>> wrote: > > > > > > > > You can use subfolders for a deportation of concern. > > > > > > > > Regards, Achim > > > > > > > > Am Samstag, 5. November 2016 schrieb Kai Kreuzer : > > > > Hi JB, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the insights. > > > > > > > > I think what is not yet clear to me is how the ConfigRepository and the > > > > Felix ConfigurationAdmin interoperate. > > > > If I am not mistaken, Karaf uses the Felix ConfigurationAdmin > > > > implementation. From the docs of Felix CM, I see that it persists the > > > > configurations (i.e. does NOT only hold it in memory) and its location > > > > can be configured by the felix.cm.dir property. Is this whole mechanism > > > > disabled in Karaf and the ConfigRepository actually intercepts those > > > > calls? > > > > > > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the storage > > > > > location or disable it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this would solve my issue - it would enable users to use > > > > different folders for reading configs through fileinstall and managing > > > > the overall ConfigAdmin settings in a different place. > > > > > > > > Probably it would suffice to not hardcode > > > > System.getProperty("karaf.etc“) in ConfigRepository, but come up with a > > > > new property here, right? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kai > > > > > > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 10:30, jbonofre [via Karaf] <<a href="javascript:;" > > > > > onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', &#[hidden email] > > > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=2> > > > > > <mailto:[hidden email] > > > > > <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=3>>')">ml-node+s922171n4048573h63@...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > let me explain a bit. > > > > > > > > > > When you create a config using ConfigAdmin (using the ConfigAdmin > > > > > service), it doesn't create a file (it's in "memory"). In that > > > > > situation, if any change is not persisted to a cfg file. > > > > > On the other hand, if you create a cfg file in Karaf etc folder, then > > > > > the corresponding ConfigAdmin configuration is created and implicitely > > > > > add a felix.fileinstall.filename property. Then, any change to the > > > > > configuration is flush back to the cfg file. > > > > > > > > > > So, in Karaf, you have a feature that automatically create the > > > > > corresponding cfg file when you create a configuration. And after > > > > > that, > > > > > we are on the "normal" behavior. > > > > > > > > > > The Karaf documentation is correct: when you have the > > > > > felix.fileinstall.filename property in a ConfigAdmin configuration, if > > > > > the enableConfigSave is true, it's flush back to cfg file, false > > > > > doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > The difference is when the configuration is create and without the > > > > > fileinstall.file property. > > > > > In the case, you may want to disable the "auto-create" cfg file done > > > > > by > > > > > Karaf (ConfigRepository). > > > > > The ConfigRepository is create (in the config feature) like this: > > > > > > > > > > ConfigRepository configRepository = new > > > > > ConfigRepositoryImpl(configurationAdmin, new > > > > > File(System.getProperty("karaf.etc"))); > > > > > > > > > > The File is the storage, if null, Karaf doesn't do any storage. > > > > > > > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the storage > > > > > location or disable it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/04/2016 08:29 PM, Kai Kreuzer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just came across the same issue. 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