On 16-Feb-06, at 4:45 PM, Renaud Richardet wrote:

From my stand-point, the big hurdles in our project has been dealing with the editors. TinyMCE is the 4th one we're testing. That's where everything gets tripped-up, cause ultimately, that's the interface we'll be presenting the users, few of which should know much about HTML / XML. Lenya rocks otherwise.

That's very interesting. Would you mind sharing with the list your experiences with the editors you have been testing?

Ok, here goes.

We started with the two regulars, BitFlux and Kupu. Neither of which made the cut cause they aren't really going to be usable by the average individual - we're talking normal staff positions in a department.

We then started testing FCK, which has a terrific interface and great features, including:
 1) copy from Word
 2) copy to plain text
 3) URL linking is very slick

Testing was going great with FCK, until we started running into problems. They started with unordered lists and anchors. Adding an anchor resulted in very strange behaviour - the anchors got added multiple times within a document, and an additional rect was added to the anchor comment. We couldn't recover from this problem and felt it was a major problem with the code as written. A quick look at the code made it clear to us that editing it would have been a nightmare given the way it was written.

We also found that the code validation in FCK wasn't effective - a page edited in FCK, then edited in source resulted in numerous code problems, resulting in validation failures.

Next, we had issues with assets - after creating an asset, there doesn't appear to be a way to edit the title if you've made a mistake other than deleting the asset and adding it again. Kludgy.

Next, adding assets, like PDFs, and then linking to them from within FCK results in them staying in the /authoring tree after publishing, so they won't be accessible. How are we supposed to add downloadable assets that will be moved to the /live section? This could have been a Lenya issue though.

Our last problem occurred with Undo - it doesn't work (neither keyboard shortcut or cute little undo button in nav), WinXP Firefox 1.5.0.1. Not good, as you can appreciate.

Our next client was TinyMCE. Very similar to FCK, but the code is much cleaner and we didn't have the same problems as we experienced with our FCK testing. Some of the things we're grappling with at the moment: 1) Asset management isn't nearly as slick as FCK. You can add an asset, but it doesn't appear in the asset list when adding images (probably works if you buy the optional plug-in) 2) URL linking is really lacking when compared to FCK. Basically, you have to know the URL before editing the page. FCK really has this aspect nailed.

We're continuing our evaluation of TinyMCE and we'll see what we determine. In the end, we have to be able to let loose our staff people who aren't HTML'ers and need to really have that aspect of the site abstracted. TinyMCE is close - a few more days of testing and we'll know if we can tweak the code to our liking.

Does this help?

Derek

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