Hi! Keep in mind. Websocket is not only for the browser! Java: http://code.google.com/p/weberknecht/ Python: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/websocket-client/0.4 .net: https://github.com/sta/websocket-sharp and JavaScript / Node: socket.io for instance
--- Thomas FRITZ web http://fritzthomas.com twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf 2011/8/29 Jacob Hansson <[email protected]>: > In my mind websockets is not necessarily something we want to focus on > initially for a binary protocol. It would only benefit in-browser javascript > access to the server, while setting back every other programming language, > forcing them to add extra layers there to conform to the websocket protocol. > > It would be interesting to take this into consideration when designing the > binary protocol, however. Perhaps we can put something together that would > be able to use websockets as a transport protocol at a later point in time. > It would be cool to, once a certain level of authorization/authentication > logic has been implemented, build high performance in-browser clients that > talk directly to the server.. > > /Jake > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Peter Neubauer < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thomas, >> a websocket interface would be a great addition! We haven't come around to >> do a proper binary protocol to Neo4j yet (pushed to Neo4j 1.6), but as Rick >> mentions, a websocket interface would also mean to have streaming semantics >> on the client. >> >> If you wanna prototype one with some trivial serialization that can be >> changed later, that would rock! >> >> Cheers, >> >> /peter neubauer >> >> GTalk: neubauer.peter >> Skype peter.neubauer >> Phone +46 704 106975 >> LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer >> Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer >> >> http://www.neo4j.org - Your high performance graph database. >> http://startupbootcamp.org/ - Öresund - Innovation happens HERE. >> http://www.thoughtmade.com - Scandinavia's coolest Bring-a-Thing party. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Thomas Fritz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hi! >> > >> > I hope you had some good bear friday! ;) >> > >> > Do you think a (web)socket interface to neo4j could be done and >> > integrated into the core? I do not like the idea of using a high >> > performance graph database with fast indices (like neo4j is) and than >> > the only interface to it is a HTTP RESTful API to it. Or are my >> > assumptions and fears wrong? >> > >> > kind regards >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > Thomas FRITZ >> > web http://fritzthomas.com >> > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf >> > >> > >> > >> > 2011/8/26 Rick Bullotta <[email protected]>: >> > > We're doing some similar things using XMPP pub-sub and BOSH... >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] >> > On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz >> > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:49 AM >> > > To: Neo4j user discussions >> > > Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for >> > access a DB >> > > >> > > If you like partial results take a look at this paper: >> > > http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=131524 and >> > > this cast: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/RES04 >> > > >> > > It uses rabin fingerprinting to detect changed chunks and only >> > > transfers these changed chunks (like rsync does). In this case the >> > > connecting side - the client - would also need some logic baked in >> > > because the client, after connecting to the server, has to sent the >> > > hashes of already retrieved chunks. So the server side can compute and >> > > sent just those chunks which has updated. Maybe it makes sense for >> > > some really big datasets. >> > > >> > > Kind regards and cheers from Vienna >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Thomas FRITZ >> > > web http://fritzthomas.com >> > > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 2011/8/26 Peter Neubauer <[email protected]>: >> > >> I like that! >> > >> >> > >> Now some beer. Free. Friday. >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> >> > >> /peter neubauer >> > >> >> > >> GTalk: neubauer.peter >> > >> Skype peter.neubauer >> > >> Phone +46 704 106975 >> > >> LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer >> > >> Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer >> > >> >> > >> http://www.neo4j.org - Your high performance graph >> > database. >> > >> http://startupbootcamp.org/ - Öresund - Innovation happens HERE. >> > >> http://www.thoughtmade.com - Scandinavia's coolest Bring-a-Thing >> party. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Rick Bullotta >> > >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Let's hope that one day soon all of these issues will be >> "non-issues"! >> > >>> >> > >>> Having cool technology always "coming soon" reminds me of this sign: >> > >>> http://www.rareirishstuff.com/media/13/a20792b12af7736b49978d_m.JPG >> > >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> > [email protected]] >> > >>> On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz >> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:17 AM >> > >>> To: Neo4j user discussions >> > >>> Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for >> > access >> > >>> a DB >> > >>> >> > >>> Hi. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks for your fast reply. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> 2011/8/26 Rick Bullotta <[email protected]>: >> > >>> > A few potential challenges and reasons to wait on this: >> > >>> > >> > >>> > - the Websocket API is still in a state of change >> > >>> thats true. But i think, since the latest security issues are solved >> > >>> now with the latest protocol version, hopefully there are no breaking >> > >>> changes anymore >> > >>> >> > >>> > - the existing REST API is synchronous request/response, so there's >> > not a >> > >>> lot of benefit to switching to websockets without a lot of rework >> > >>> I think thats a real challenge. Since locking and concurrent writes >> > >>> come into play - Except you would allow only one websocket connection >> > >>> >> > >>> > - The real benefit will be when you Javascript and other web >> clients >> > can >> > >>> use a pure binary protocol (not possible today) >> > >>> I pretty sure it is in the latest protocol definition. But i think no >> > >>> Browser at this time of writing has implemented the binary parts. >> > >>> >> > >>> regards >> > >>> >> > >>> Tom >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Rick >> > >>> > >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >> > >>> > From: [email protected] [mailto: >> > [email protected]] >> > >>> On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz >> > >>> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 AM >> > >>> > To: Neo4j user discussions >> > >>> > Subject: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for >> > access a >> > >>> DB >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Hi all! >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Have anyone thought, or is it possible to implement a Websocket >> > >>> > Endpoint in Neo4J Server so one can use this instead of the RESTful >> > >>> > API. Which would be more performant and scalable than the RESTful >> > HTTP >> > >>> > API. It is possible to use such a Websocket through Java, Node and >> > any >> > >>> > other Server Side Language and even JavaScript on the client side. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > What do you think? >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Kind regards >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > --- >> > >>> > Thomas FRITZ >> > >>> > web http://fritzthomas.com >> > >>> > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf >> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >> > >>> > Neo4j mailing list >> > >>> > [email protected] >> > >>> > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >> > >>> > Neo4j mailing list >> > >>> > [email protected] >> > >>> > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >>> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Neo4j mailing list >> > >>> [email protected] >> > >>> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Neo4j mailing list >> > >>> [email protected] >> > >>> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Neo4j mailing list >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Neo4j mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Neo4j mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Neo4j mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Neo4j mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user >> > > > > -- > Jacob Hansson > Phone: +46 (0) 763503395 > Twitter: @jakewins > _______________________________________________ > Neo4j mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > _______________________________________________ Neo4j mailing list [email protected] https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user
