Hi , I am a newcomer to the project, and I think the current website definitely could use a re-build. One of the things I think that enables quick adoption of any new project are the quick start tutorials. In particular I like the way the Apache zeppelin site is structured. There is a lot of information on the Mahout site, and a lot of good hints, but it took me a while to get something that worked. It might be nice to have something like quick start mahout/samsara basic quick start mahout/samsara with spark quick start mahout/samsara with gpu etc etc
Sometimes less is more. There is too much information being put on the homepage and its confusing... I think the old mapreduce stuff could probably be pushed very low down. Also, having scala docs available would be great too. Just my 2pennies. On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote: > Yeah point taken from @Dmitriy and @Trevor, the ability is great and will > be needed some day soon (Spark is especially troublesome in some apps). > However the existing compute engines code seems of dubious value. > > Completely agree with flexible solvers extremely important and yes, we > should flog the hell out of it. This includes BLAS and future improvements > to that layer as well as GPUs. Super important. > > I also like your taxonomy. > > On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > To date we have referred to the GPU/CPU/CUDA as 'pluggable native-solvers'. > 'plugable backends' are the Spark - Flink -H20- whatever. > > With the advent of both, I could see the confusion and we may want to > rethink the naming as part of of this too. > > Trevor Grant > Data Scientist > https://github.com/rawkintrevo > http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo > http://trevorgrant.org > > *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things." -Virgil* > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Nikolai Sakharnykh < > nsakharn...@nvidia.com > > wrote: > > > I guess we might have different interpretation of a backend. So just to > > avoid any confusion in my world (coming from accelerating applications on > > GPUs) the backends would be CUDA, OpenCL, OpenMP and JVM. I think it > > definitely makes sense to advertise GPU support on the front page, along > > with JVM and/or OpenMP for CPUs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suneel Marthi [mailto:smar...@apache.org] > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 11:13 AM > > To: mahout <d...@mahout.apache.org> > > Cc: user@mahout.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Marketing > > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> > > wrote: > >> > >>> The multiple backend support is such a waste of time IMO. The DSL > >>> and GPU support is super important and should be made even more > >>> distributed. The current (as I understand it) single threaded GPU > >>> per VM is only the first step in what will make Mahout important for a > > long time to come. > >>> > >> > >> This seems self contradicting a bit. Multiple backends is the only > >> thing that remedies it for me. By that i mean both distributed (i/o) > >> backends and the in-memory. > >> > >> Good CPU and GPU plugins will be important, as well as communication > >> layer alternatives to spark. Spark is not working out well for > >> interconnected problems, and H20 and Flink, well, I'd just forget > >> about them. I'd certainly drop H20 for now. > > > > > > FWIW, the H2O backend is more stable than the F%*&k backend, best to drop > > both. > > > > > > > >> But ability to plug in new communication backend primitives seems to > >> be critical in my experience, as well as variety of cpu/gpu chipset > >> support. (I do use both in-memory and i/o custom backends that IMO are > >> a must). > >> > >> In that sense, it is super-important that custom backends are easy to > >> plug (even if you are absolutely legitimately dissatisfied with the > >> existing ones). > >> > >> > >>> Think of Mahout in 5 years what will be important? H2O? Hadoop > > Mapreduce? > >>> Flink? I’ll stake my dollar on no. GPUs yes and up the stakes. > >>> Streaming online learning (kappa style) yes but not sure Mahout is > >>> made for this right now. > >>> > >>> Or if we are talking about web site revamp +1, I’d be happy to > >>> upgrade my section and have only held off waiting to see a redesign > >>> or moving to Jekyll. > >>> > >>> As to a new mascot, ok, but the old one fits the name. We tried > >> sub-naming > >>> Mahout-Samsara to symbolize the changing nature and rebirth of the > >> project, > >>> maybe we should drop the name Mahout altogether. the name Mahout, > >>> like > >> the > >>> blue man, is not relevant to the project anymore and maybe renaming, > >>> is good for marketing. > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 7:37 AM, Nikolai Sakharnykh > >>> <nsakharn...@nvidia.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Agree that the website feels outdated. I would add Samsara code > >>> example > >> on > >>> the front page, list of key algorithms implemented, supported > >>> backends, github & download links, and cut down the news part > >>> especially towards > >> the > >>> end with flat release numbers and dates. Also probably reorganize > >>> the > >> tabs. > >>> > >>> If we go with honey badger as a mascot do we have any ideas on the > >>> logo itself? Honey badger biting/eating a snake?) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Trevor Grant [mailto:trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:53 PM > >>> To: d...@mahout.apache.org > >>> Cc: user@mahout.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: Marketing > >>> > >>> A student once asked his teacher, "Master, what is enlightenment?" > >>> > >>> The master replied, "When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep." > >>> > >>> Sounds like the honey badger to me... > >>> > >>> Trevor Grant > >>> Data Scientist > >>> https://github.com/rawkintrevo > >>> http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo > >>> http://trevorgrant.org > >>> > >>> *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things." > >>> -Virgil* > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The little blue man (the mahout) was reborn (samsara) as a > >> honey-badger? > >>>> He must be close indeed to reaching true enlightenment, or is that > >>> Buddhism? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> +1 on revamp. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------- Original message -------- > >>>> From: Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com> > >>>> Date: 03/23/2017 12:36 PM (GMT-08:00) > >>>> To: user@mahout.apache.org, d...@mahout.apache.org > >>>> Subject: Marketing > >>>> > >>>> Hey user and dev, > >>>> > >>>> With 0.13.0 the Apache Mahout project has added some significant > >> updates. > >>>> > >>>> The website is starting to feel 'dated' I think it could use a > > reboot. > >>>> > >>>> The blue person riding the elephant has less signifigance in > >>>> Mahout-Samsara's modular backends. > >>>> > >>>> Would like to open the floor to discussion on website reboot (and > >>>> who might be willing to take on such a project), as well as new > > mascot. > >>>> > >>>> To kick off- in an offline talk there was the idea of A honey > >>>> badger (bc honey-badger don't care, just like mahout don't care > >>>> what back end or native solvers you are using, and also bc a cobra > >>>> bites a honey badger and he takes a little nap then wakes up and > >>>> finishes eating the cobra. honey badger eats snakes, and does all > >>>> the work while the other animals pick up the scraps. > >>>> see this short documentary on the honey badger: > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg ) ^^audio not safe for > >>>> work > >>>> > >>>> Con: its almost tooo jokey. > >>>> > >>>> Other idea: are coy-wolfs. > >>>> > >>>> Trevor Grant > >>>> Data Scientist > >>>> https://github.com/rawkintrevo > >>>> http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo > >>>> http://trevorgrant.org > >>>> > >>>> *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things." > >>>> -Virgil* > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> ----------------------- > >>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > >>> and may contain confidential information. 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