"A long list is exactly what jira is". Man, you are exactly right about that Scott.
Skip -----Original Message----- From: Scott Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:43 PM To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: Defining and implementing a short-medium term plan for OFBiz A long list is exactly what jira is, there is no need for that here. This is about major goals that will help make OFBiz the leader in it's class :-) Scott On 27/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A christmas list is fine, IMHO. Always nice to have more feedback than less. The list should > represent real-world requirements. > > With a longer list, we'll have more items to choose from. A long list isn't going to kill us, long > as we can still exercise the prudence/right to pick the few we can commit to working on. A long > list from my boss is a different story. :) > > Jonathon > > Scott Gray wrote: > > I'm wondering if we're going to carried away with a christmas list of > > things people want improved in the project? I think we need to keep > > this list high level for major new features for the project, jira is > > still the best place for specific improvements. > > > > Scott > > > > On 27/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gads, told you I was dumb. I just had to log in. > >> > >> Skip > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Scott Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:21 PM > >> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Defining and implementing a short-medium term plan for > >> OFBiz > >> > >> > >> You might need to create an account to post comments, avoids spam. > >> > >> Scott > >> > >> On 27/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I know, I'm dumb. I can't figure out how to post on this page. Anyway, > >> add > >>> me in as someone willing to help with accounting. I would also like to > >> add > >>> a new topic, enhanced accounts receivable (billing accounts). I am > >> working > >>> on that now and will submit it when finished. > >>> > >>> Skip > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:11 AM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; user@ofbiz.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: Defining and implementing a short-medium term plan for > >>> OFBiz > >>> > >>> > >>> Yeah, > >>> > >>> that sounds a bit scary to me too ;-) > >>> The persons that want to express their interest but cannot help with > >>> design/development then should add their name to the "People interested" > >>> list only. The line "People willing to help" is really for the ones that > >>> will actively participate to the development... and it would really help > >>> to have a vague idea of the amount of time that they would like to > >>> contribute. > >>> My fear is that we end up with a huge wishlist and zero human resources > >>> to work on it... it would be just a waste of time. > >>> > >>> However I've tried to make less scary that page, trying to explain the > >>> meaning of that line and asking for the approx estimate per week or > >>> month; I've also remove the text from the tasks (it is now in the page > >>> description only). > >>> Do you think it is enough? > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> Scott Gray wrote: > >>>> Hi Jacopo > >>>> > >>>> That page looks great, my only concern is that "approx hours per week" > >>> might > >>>> scare some people off by making them feel they have to make a commitment > >>>> rather than just show interest? > >>>> > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> On 26/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> Hi to all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm interested to contribute to those taks: > >>>>> > >>>>> Complete the support for VAT (Value-Added-Tax) > >>>>> Enhance the integration with eBay > >>>>> Enhance the integration with Google Product > >>>>> > >>>>> Why don't add also a new task to migrate the screen-widget styles to > >> the > >>>>> new styles of ftl screens. > >>>>> > >>>>> My problem is that I cannot say how much time I can reserve to those > >> task > >>>>> and when I can do it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, can I update the page http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/JAw in confluence > >> by > >>>>> myself or I have not the access ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks in advance > >>>>> Marco > >>>>> > >>>>>> As you all know, the long term goal of the OFBiz project is to build a > >>>>>> complete, features set rich, universal and configurable "enterprise > >>>>>> automation software" (ERP, CRM, CMMS, MRP etc.). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> OFBiz is one of the few applications of this type developed by a > >>>>>> community, rather than one corporation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Even if the final long term goal is clear and well-defined ("building > >> a > >>>>>> universal enterprise automation software"), the short and medium term > >>>>>> tasks to accomplish it are not. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is of course a consequence of the nature of the project: it is a > >>>>>> community driven project that tends to lead a life of its own and this > >>>>>> is great and amazing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> However it is probably time to try together to canalize the power of > >> the > >>>>>> OFBiz community in order to reach our final goal more quickly and > >>>>>> efficiently. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In my opinion, the definition of a short/medium term plan > >>>>>> (wishlist/feature plan) could help encourage contributions and > >>>>>> efficiently convey the community resources. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It is not an attempt at top-down management, but rather a means to > >>>>>> enhance collaboration and communication in the OFBiz community. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Proposed steps (draft): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1) areas of interest: definition of the areas of interest for the > >>>>>> community: "what do you think the community members have to implement > >> to > >>>>>> make OFBiz the best enterprise automation software in the World?"; the > >>>>>> tasks should not be huge tasks because they should be doable by > >>>>>> volunteers in the community > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2) resources: who is willing to contribute to which task and the > >>>>>> approximate amount of hours per week > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3) for the tasks with enough resources and attention: define the > >>>>>> details, subtasks (in Jira?), roles, estimated completion dates; at > >>>>>> least one committer should probably be part of each task, so that the > >>>>>> work will be committed more rapidly > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To give you an idea of a way to implement #1 and #2, I've set up a > >> draft > >>>>>> of a page with a wishlist that I've recently collected (from > >>>>>> private/public messages): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/JAw > >>>>>> > >>>>>> of course this is only a first step, the list will change and grow > >>>>>> during the discussion. > >>>>>> Please, post your comments and ideas here (and as comments to the > >> above > >>>>>> page), I really think this could be a great opportunity for the > >>>>>> community to grow and for new developers to become committers! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacopo > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >
