What I'm telling you is that we may never be at a completely stable release, by your definition, unless we stop moving - which as I committer, I do not think will ever happen. What I can say is that we would like to make branch - and stabilize it - and by some chance - get to a point where we might have a proper release. Does that sound interesting to you?
Cheers, Ruppert On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I'm hardly ever "right". And with all due respect, could we just stick to the > original topic? > > Just to clear the air and set the record straight: What I was asking for was > a clear and unambiguous statement from the project concerning what is meant > by "stable release" so that non-committers can choose for themselves which > release and/or trunk version they wish to get started with. > > Regards, > Ruth > > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> Many, many committers continually add bug fixes to releases - check the >> commit logs. I can't speak for everyone, but I think that many of us are >> sitting here waiting for a new release so that this can become more of the >> process that people are pushing - including trying to encourage people to >> use the releases - instead of just the trunk - which seemed to be something >> you were asking for earlier. >> So, be behind this - it's in your best interests and what you've been >> clamoring for - instead of just trying to be "right" all of the time .... >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >> >>> Hello Anil: >>> >>> How about a recent thread called "Rethinking our release strategy" dated >>> Feb 15th, 2010 which I shall partially repeat here for your convenience: >>> >>> > * because of this, no real maintenance plan, test strategy etc.. >>> has been created around it (9.04) from the community of users and >>> interested parties (in fact we were not really able to officially >>> release it) >>> >>> > * a lot of new users start eveluating OFBiz from that instead of >>> the trunk >>> > * it is rather old, several new features are missing and also >>> code improvements (that could fix bugs etc) >>> > I thought all the bug fixes were retrofitted to the release? Is this >>> not >>> true? >>> > * because of this, it tends to be less stable than the trunk >>> > How could the release be less stable than the trunk if bug fixes are >>> applied to the release and the trunk? >>> > The main cons of this situations are the following: >>> > 1) not real interest in maintaining a release branch means that >>> we will not be able to spend time on it and officially release it: >>> the OFBiz community will miss the advantage of using the marketing >>> channel represented by a new release >>> > 2) new users will get the wrong impression that the project is >>> slowing improving if they just get the releases >>> >>> For a true sense of the thread, please see this quote in context. I'll give >>> you a hint, no one from the project came out and said that bug fixes are >>> applied to Releases. The implication (and thus non-statement) is that the >>> "trunk" is it as far as bug fixes are concerned. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> >>> Anil Patel wrote: >>> >>>> Ruth, >>>> I don't know which statement are you talking about. Can you please put >>>> that statement or non-statement here for ready reference? Thanks and >>>> Regards >>>> Anil Patel >>>> HotWax Media Inc >>>> Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword "ofbiz" >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Doesn't this contradict previous statements or non-statements about bug >>>>> fixes in Release 9.04? >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release >>>>>> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing >>>>>> in the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and >>>>>> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and >>>>>> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new >>>>>> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Anil Patel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Makes sense to me. If we are decided on date, we still have a month to >>>>>>> go. Gives plenty of time, may be :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks and Regards >>>>>>> Anil Patel >>>>>>> HotWax Media Inc >>>>>>> Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword "ofbiz" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would be nice to get the new security code included in the branch - >>>>>>>> even if it is disabled. That will give release users an introduction >>>>>>>> to it and give them a chance to work on an upgrade strategy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anil Patel wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, are we set for next Ofbiz Branch named 10.04 ? >>>>>>>>> If we decide on _date_, I can have a team of developers scheduled to >>>>>>>>> start testing branch code. This will allow to quickly stabilize ofbiz >>>>>>>>> release for common ecommerce use. >>>>>>>>> How about EOD March 31st 10 GMT? >>>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards >>>>>>>>> Anil Patel >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media Inc >>>>>>>>> Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword "ofbiz" >>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree but after Jacopo's message on dev ML about new release >>>>>>>>>> strategy (on which I mostly agree) I will at least delay it... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Bruno Busco" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In order to have this kind of issue scheduling could you please >>>>>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>>>>> a new OFBIZ version in jira and set the Fix Version of these issue >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>>> I do not see any clearer way to answer to Ashish question. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010/2/15 Jacques Le Roux <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to fulfill >>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3442 >>>>>>>>>>>> and maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3445 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In other word to use layer lookups instead of popup lookups >>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere it's >>>>>>>>>>>> possible in OFBiz. >>>>>>>>>>>> From my 1st serie of tests it seems to work well almost >>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere, WIP... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think its time to start thinking on the things that should be >>>>>>>>>>>>> taken >>>>>>>>>>>>> care in / before release branch 10.04. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bug fixing should be the major area which should be taken care >>>>>>>>>>>>> extensively in next two months. >>>>>>>>>>>>> What about new features etc. etc.? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please comment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashish >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:47 AM, David E Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no set date yet. The last release was in April 2009 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (hence the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> version number of 09.04 on it), and the one before that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 2 years >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before. Chances are it won't be another 2 years before another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably at least a year... so perhaps we'll do another release >>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 4 months. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Juan Pablo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Community. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm testing the last trunk version and the demo version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet (http://demo.ofbiz.org). They've got new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality: help on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line, new themes, new features in accounting, manufacturing and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ordermgr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. The last stable versión is actually 9.04. So, ¿When >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ofbiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try a new stable release version?. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gracias/Thank You. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juan Pablo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>
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