I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must. And that means recompiling the code.
As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) -- Matt Warnock <[email protected]> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:20 +0530, Raj Saini wrote: > I don't think any problem with it as a developer. However, a binary only > release should not have build time tool chain. For binary only release, > there will not be a build.xml and no ant. > > Thanks, > > Raj > > On 26/08/10 15:57, Scott Gray wrote: > > ant run-install > > could someone explain to me what is so difficult about the command that we > > need to look at big efforts to fix something that isn't broken? > > > > Thanks > > Scott > > > > On 26/08/2010, at 9:07 PM, Raj Saini wrote: > > > > > >> There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like JPA, > >> Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of Liferay > >> Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Raj > >> > >> > >> On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote: > >> > >>> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or Seed > >>> (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that initializes > >>> the db structure, as ofbiz does? > >>> > >>> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup > >>> component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or > >>> demo. it should lead you through the technical setup. > >>> see > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide > >>> > >>> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs. > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852 > >>> > >>> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the > >>> Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db. > >>> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize the > >>> new DB. > >>> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server. > >>> > >>> feel free to contribute. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========================= > >>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com> > >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier > >>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > >>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > >>> > >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > >>> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using > >>>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file. > >>>> > >>>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only > >>>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can > >>>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no > >>>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in > >>>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib > >>>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build > >>>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some > >>>> time soon and work on it. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Raj > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided. > >>>>> and they do a startofbiz > >>>>> what will happen? > >>>>> lots of errors and support as now. > >>>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data. > >>>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production. > >>>>> > >>>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find. > >>>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started > >>>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs. > >>>>> > >>>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every > >>>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ. > >>>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of > >>>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from > >>>>> new users on how to setup. > >>>>> > >>>>> why you could even write another book about it. > >>>>> (smiles) > >>>>> > >>>>> ========================= > >>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com> > >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation > >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > >>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > >>>>> > >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Jacques, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the other > >>>>>> ASF > >>>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most > >>>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first > >>>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF > >>>>>> website. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current > >>>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and > >>>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Ruth > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux"<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason you > >>>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official > >>>>>>>>> release. > >>>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I > >>>>>>>>> support. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the > >>>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with > >>>>>>>>>> the jar > >>>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what that > >>>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the > >>>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time. > >>>>>>>>>> Then, one > >>>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold - > >>>>>>>>>> things > >>>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already > >>>>>>>>>> packaged > >>>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of > >>>>>>>>>> events, > >>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure to > >>>>>>>>>> how > >>>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>> Ruth > >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds > >>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip) > >>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 . > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code > >>>>>>>>>>> minus all > >>>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate > >>>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the > >>>>>>>>>>> branch and > >>>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds. > >>>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn. > >>>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded. > >>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ > >>>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= > >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com> > >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation > >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way > >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is > >>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The jar > >>>>>>>>>>>> file > >>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6 > >>>>>>>>>>>> months > >>>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build > >>>>>>>>>>>> process as > >>>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create > >>>>>>>>>>>> all the > >>>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build > >>>>>>>>>>>> instructions, > >>>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code (Release > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)" > >>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day > >>>>>>>>>>>> since the > >>>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out > >>>>>>>>>>>> by the > >>>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the > >>>>>>>>>>>> builds. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It created > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> directory > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> executed > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not found. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded zip > >>>>>>>>>>>>> file. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
