Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is,
and should be used for?
If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what
he will come with...
Jacques
From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[email protected]>
Hi BJ
What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
Thanks for all your help.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
the release zip never had jar files.
what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I
gave you a link to.
what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04
release and allow people to download from your site.
then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
Hi BJ:
Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
changes. Nothing new in that.
All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
so someone download the file like you say it should be.
then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
how do you propose they do that?
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
Hi BJ:
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
Hi BJ:
My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
that is:
Pre-built (all jar files included)
Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
currently distributed database - which is Derby
And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
participate and provide JIRA posts.)
I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
perspective:
You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
development/source code site.]
Prettty simple.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
a release.
what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
the demo is running in derby.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
Hi BJ:
Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
Release that is on the official download page should be fully
functional
out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
the
Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
these
work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
attempts to
install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
with the
download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
involved
and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
building
jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
OFBiz
users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
another
project or simply downloading it again.
Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
certainly a big deal to potential new users.
Just my 2cents.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
did you mean Demo data.
with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
Hi All:
I respectfully beg to differ here:
There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
order to
implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
and I
miss
the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
recent
"releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
many an
OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
course,
I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
developers working on the same code.
Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
thought
once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
from
past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
quarter.
This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
jar
files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
OFBiz
- one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
official
Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
Then,
someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
Regards,
Ruth
Matt Warnock wrote:
I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
OFBiz
is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
even the
branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
being
updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
must.
And that means recompiling the code.
As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
fixed
so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
rather
see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
upgrade
issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
