It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.Regards Scott On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Sure. I'd be happy to do that. > Regards, > Ruth > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to >> nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is, and should be used >> for? >> If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >> >> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with >> what he will come with... >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[email protected]> >>> Hi BJ >>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>> Thanks for all your help. >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release >>>> zip. >>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and >>>> I gave you a link to. >>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 >>>> release and allow people to download from your site. >>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> >>>> >>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>> >>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>
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