I think we are splitting hairs here. I was simply saying that the total screen area (header + footer) was about the same. The header in the new theme is roughly 180px vs. the old theme which is about 160px so, a difference of about 20px. But the footer in the new theme is smaller than the footer in the old theme, so the net result is about the same. I think we can all agree that looking at a modern web application through an 800x600 screen sucks anyway that you look at it, so let's just move on.
Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [email protected] ryanlfoster.com On Feb 4, 2011, at 11:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Okay - I understand. > > Keep in mind that the things we discussed in this thread were good > suggestions and I hope they will get implemented. > > The new Flat Grey theme could benefit from a collapsible main navigation bar, > and an optional main navigation column. It would also be nice to tighten up > the layout a bit, but not make it as tiny and crowded as the original theme. > > Hopefully, after some of those changes are made you will warm up to it. > > -Adrian > > Quoting BJ Freeman <[email protected]>: > >> the comparison came fromm Ryan saying why did the changes and I was showing >> they did not follow what he said. >> I am willing to drop it. >> >> ========================= >> BJ Freeman >> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >> >> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >> >> >> [email protected] sent the following on 2/4/2011 10:17 AM: >>> I didn't miss the screen comparison. >>> >>> It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I understand >>> you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old one and put it >>> in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using the old theme. >>> People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated theme. So, why >>> do we need to keep making comparisons? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Quoting BJ Freeman <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal >>>> of the original theme. >>>> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it >>>> they can choose it. >>>> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the >>>> one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for >>>> the same screen space. >>>> >>>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> >>>> >>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM: >>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have >>>>> discussed. >>>>> >>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them. >>>>> >>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen. >>>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid >>>>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the >>>>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen? >>>>> >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> oops. >>>>>> guess I can't send images. >>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM: >>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on >>>>>>>> Windows XP at >>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster* >>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and >>>>>>>>> greatest. >>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with. >>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600 >>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> newer stuff? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM: >>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a >>>>>>>>>> column. >>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing >>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan >>>>>>>>>> Foster<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and >>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School" >>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New >>>>>>>>>>> Flat >>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation >>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back >>>>>>>>>>> in to >>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That >>>>>>>>>>> way, if >>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog >>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and >>>>>>>>>>> did not >>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could >>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the >>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the >>>>>>>>>>>> real >>>>>>>>>>>> estate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> sent the following on >>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011 >>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the old >>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was >>>>>>>>>>>>> made as >>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up >>>>>>>>>>>>> things a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bit, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space >>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >
