To manage modularity have the same thin than Mansour.
On neogia addons librairy, we analysed maven and ivy. We use ivy directly call by the addon manager system.

An example with a hat addon crm to resolve addon dependencies :
dependencies tree as resoled by ivy for the addon : neogia-crm
     neogia-crm 0.1.14.803
         consultant-b2b 1.1.22.7
             crm-common-b2b 3.2.25.20
                 create-party-and-information 1.5.2.5
                     party-name-company 1.5.9.112
                         party-name 1.4.11
                         company 0.13.6.1
                             role-type-group 0.7.2
                             portlet-party 0.4.5.3
                                 portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                                     exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                         portletExample 0.10.10
                                             genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                                 validate-form 0.1.4
                             portlet-order 0.1.5
                     role-type-group 0.7.2
                 company 0.13.6.1
                     role-type-group 0.7.2
                     portlet-party 0.4.5.3
                         portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                             exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                 portletExample 0.10.10
                                     genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                         validate-form 0.1.4
                     portlet-order 0.1.5
                 simple-content-display 1.0.5
                 gwtCalendarWithMultiMenus 0.1.1.23
                     gwtCalendarTeam 0.22.0.2-dev
                         party-group-hierarchy 1.12.15
                         calendarPortlet 0.7.7.3
                             portlet-workeffort 0.4.0.20
                                 portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                                     exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                         portletExample 0.10.10
                                             genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                                 validate-form 0.1.4
                                 portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                                     exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                         portletExample 0.10.10
                                             genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                                 validate-form 0.1.4
                             party-group-hierarchy 1.12.15
                     themes-with-multimenu 0.4.7
                 recent-action 1.3.21.3
                     portlet-party 0.4.5.3
                         portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                             exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                 portletExample 0.10.10
                                     genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                         validate-form 0.1.4
                 quote-project-management 1.9.5.10
                     portlet-order 0.1.5
                         portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                             exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                 portletExample 0.10.10
                                     genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                         validate-form 0.1.4
                         calendarPortlet 0.7.7.3
                             portlet-workeffort 0.4.0.20
                                 portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                                     exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                         portletExample 0.10.10
                                             genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                                 validate-form 0.1.4
                                 portletWidget 0.10.5.6
                                     exampleHelp 0.3.2.7
                                         portletExample 0.10.10
                                             genericPortlet 0.15.2
                                                 validate-form 0.1.4

And addon installation order :
The dependencies will be installed in this order:
   validate-form                               0.1.4
   genericPortlet                              0.15.2
   portletExample                              0.10.10
   exampleHelp                                 0.3.2.7
   portletWidget                               0.10.5.6
   party-group-hierarchy                       1.12.15
   portlet-workeffort                          0.4.0.20
   role-type-group                             0.7.2
   portlet-party                               0.4.5.3
   portlet-order                               0.1.5
   calendarPortlet                             0.7.7.3
   party-name                                  1.4.11
   company                                     0.13.6.1
   projectMgrLabel                             0.4.9-dev
   themes-with-multimenu                       0.4.7
   party-name-company                          1.5.9.112
   gwtCalendarTeam                             0.22.0.2-dev
   portlet-projectmgr                          0.20.1.3
   create-party-and-information                1.5.2.5
   simple-content-display                      1.0.5
   gwtCalendarWithMultiMenus                   0.1.1.23
   recent-action                               1.3.21.3
   quote-project-management                    1.9.5.10
   commEventByPurpose                          1.0.30.17
   portlet-marketing                           0.5.1.3
   portlet-party-advanced                      0.1.2.8-dev
   portlet-projectmgr-more                     0.4.0.8-dev
   fckeditor                                   1.0.1
   html-editor                                 0.3.0
   contactMechMgmtPortlet                      0.3.3.4
   clocking-project                            0.3.10.60-dev
   portlet-humanres                            0.1.2.3
   crm-common-b2b                              3.2.25.20
   consultant-b2b                              1.1.22.7
   sales-adm-b2b                               1.1.11.64
   sales-reps-b2b                              1.4.8.107
   neogia-crm                                  0.1.14.803


Now, I not maven expert and maybe it's possible to do than with maven.

Nicolas


Le 14/07/2011 18:15, Mansour Al Akeel a écrit :
There's an ivy.xml file in the root of ofbiz trunk. Ant+Ivy seems to
be better alternative.
Since we have all the build.xml ready, the only thing we need is to
declare the dependencies using ivy. For this to work, components
build.xml files need to be modified to install the resulting jar files
in ivy (or maven repo).
This is based on my understanding of ivy (which is very limited).


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Ray Shi<[email protected]>  wrote:
I used Maven Ant Tasks in the development of new OFBiz applications.
The Maven Ant Tasks allow some of the Maven's artifact handling
features including the dependency management to be used from within
the Ant build.

So this could be an option for those who wants to use POM to manage
the dependencies, and stick to the standard OFBiz project structure at
the same time.


On 14/07/2011, [email protected]<[email protected]>  wrote:
Yes, that's the point, I strong recommend migrate the build system to
maven, it's very handy to build/development/deploy/release with maven
since there is lots of plugins can be use, and you also can write your
plugin if possible. Just as Sascha mentioned, IMHO,

1. Maven follow the convention over configuration, you can avoid lots of
unnecessary work, more important, ofbiz is also follow this principle,
ofbiz follow the standard ofbiz-module-directory.

2. One of the goal of Maven is to support multiple module development,
it's really easy and powerful, there is lots of project(open source or
commercial ) are base upon maven build system, such as glassfish,
hibernate, james, seam, xwiki....... Ofbiz is really a large multiple
module project, it's easy to mapping to maven's module. You can focus on
the module with maven module support, no need build other module....it's
very important for larger project since you can build quickly and work
more effective.

3. Beyond dependency management, maven standardize the release
lifecycle, project management, document management and more development
activity.....

4. Most of the IDE provide powerful support maven, you can open an maven
project just as open normal IDE's project, such as idea, eclipse,
netbean.....

5. Maven provide dependency management which ensure all dependent
artifact have accurate version. This is very important to ensure the
system stable. Seems some dependent jar of ofbiz miss the version
information from my memory.

So, I would vote for provide maven build support.。。


Please be free to contact with me for any question or suggestion.
Thanks&  Best Regards .
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Young Gu | Software Engineer | http://www.infor.com

On 7/14/2011 12:12 AM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:
Hi David, hi Eric,

first: cool tool Eric would love to see it!

I worked a lot with maven in the last year and must say it is pretty
amazing
how easy thinks can be when you follow the convention over configuration
pattern. There are plenty of plugins which support you by
building/deploying/organization your application.
So when maven is working it's is a really powerful tool.
But during my projects i had to migrate some ANT based builds to Maven
based
build, that was a lot of work (and some times pretty frustrating).

To your points David:
1. better modularizing OFBiz
That would be a really great benefit and maven have a good modularization
support

2. using Maven for build and/or module dependency management?
That effects point one. The maven structure made it easy to create
separate
POMs (ProjectObjectModel) for each module (which can inherit other POMs)
and
combine them in one super pom which defines global (build/ deployment
etc.)
options

... Just a few thoughts this evening :)

regards,
Sascha


2011/7/13 David E Jones<[email protected]>

This is an interesting idea, and there seem to be a number of plugins for
Maven that deal with release/build/deploy automation.

Looking around to learn more about this I found this interesting intro
presentation that talks about the Maven release plugin, plus plugins for
other tools like Codehaus Cargo and LiquiBase (with a nice little intro
to
LiquiBase, which is very cool BTW):


http://www.slideshare.net/wakaleo/automated-deployment-with-maven-going-the-whole-nine-yards

-David


On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Eric Bowman wrote:

Yes.  We version our changes of ofbiz in a mavenesque way, and intend to
use the maven release plugin to generate releases which get "deployed"
(in
maven terminology) to a repository, from which they get deployed to real
servers.
On 13 Jul 2011, at 15:18, David E Jones wrote:

Is part of the intent to use the Maven release plugin for deployment
and
such as well?
-David


On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Eric Bowman wrote:

Hi,

One other point: this tool is currently useful against ofbiz "as-is",
in order to build software that depends on it, using maven.  Converting
ofbiz to use maven is a considerably bigger project.
On 13 Jul 2011, at 15:01, David E Jones wrote:

I know various people have expressed interest in Maven over the
years.
  From a quick search I see such discussions going back to 2003!
OFBiz would definitely benefit from more modularization, and Maven
may
be able to help with that. However, it is just a tool and would still
require significant work in addition to what Eric describes below to
clean
up higher-level OFBiz artifacts like services and screens and such to
make
the dependency tree clean.
Based on the build-time dependencies Eric has generated an
interesting
graph that he sent to me, and it turns out to be a pretty good graph of
component dependencies (even though technically if everything were
written
in the way intended by the framework, there wouldn't be so many
build-time
dependencies like this). The graph is actually better than the old old
one I
hand-rolled (that is in the Component and Component Set Dependencies
document in the OFBADMIN space on Confluence).
Getting back to the point, does anyone have an opinion on:

1. better modularizing OFBiz
2. using Maven for build and/or module dependency management?

-David


On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Eric Bowman wrote:

Hi,

I've written a tool that we're considering open sourcing, and I'm
curious to gauge how much interest there would be in it.
The purpose of the tool is to generate proper poms for each of the
ofbiz modules by inspecting an ofbiz directory.  It works in two steps,
and
it uses the Nexus search API (so it's not that interesting unless you
have a
Nexus repository installed somewhere nearby).
Here's what it does:

1. Inspects $OFBIZ_HOME recursively, identifying external dependency
libraries
2. Generates the SHA1 hash of each jar, and uses a Nexus API to
determine whether that jar already exists in Nexus as a known artifact.
3. If it does not, it takes a random sample of the classes in each
jar, and queries Nexus to see can it figure out a reasonable groupId&
artifactId.
4. For artifacts not already in Nexus, it synthesizes a mvn
deploy:deploy-file for each jar and each possible
groupId/artifactId/version
it decides might be useful, and lets you decide which commands to run to
get
all the dependency jars in Nexus.
5. After all the external dependencies are in Nexus, it looks
through
$OFBIZ_HOME again, and determines all the transitive dependencies between
ofbiz modules
6. Next it synthesizes a pom for each module, that captures both the
dependencies in that module's lib directory, as well as the simplest
transitive graph of dependencies on other modules.
7. Finally it prints out mvn deploy:deploy-file commands which can
be
run separately to put each ofbiz module's jar file into Nexus, along with
its pom.
If you are using maven, this is pretty nice -- this way you don't
have to worry about declaring dependencies against all the jars in the
ofbiz
directory; it figures all that out, and leverages maven's transitive
dependency resolution to make a clean build.
Obviously it doesn't solve other problems, like how to deploy an
ofbiz server in a maveny way, but that may follow.
If you're interested in seeing this open sourced, perhaps you can
reply off-list; if there is enough interest I'll put this on github.  And
maybe even if there isn't. :)
Cheers,
Eric Bowman



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