Having done a cursory review of websites of other Apache Projects I can state that we are not creating a precedent here.
As for the possibility of potentially conveying the impression that the community or the ASF are officially supporting implementation and support providers this can be easily corrected with a statement at the top of the document(s). As for the remark regarding approving any content this can be said of anything posted in any document the project controls, e.g. mailing lists postings. Regarding violating trademark policies of ASF it is so that the foundation has sufficient means (and procedures) at its disposal to take corrective measures. If there are violations of such policies, then these should be addressed. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < [email protected]> wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Nick Rosser <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So what's the final word on this? > > > > Seems like we have mostly "yeahs" for this change. > > This doesn't seem an accurate summary of the feedback received: Jacques > and Pierre expressed a positive feedback; Christian seems neutral; I am > against; no one else expressed an opinion yet. > It is really too early to come up to such a conclusion. > > > Can we get it done? > > I understand that companies are interested in getting free marketing (SEO > etc..) from independent and authoritative sources like the official OFBiz > site and the ASF in general, and this adds some pressure on the OFBiz PMC > and project. However, as I already stated, I will be against any changes, > e.g., adding a link on the "top menu", that may convey the impression that > the project officially supports or even approves any content on which there > is no control, e.g., the content of wiki documents. > > Specifically, the links you want to add in the top menu point to the > following documents: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List > > for which there is no control or rules on who, what and how information > can be published, and there are links that potentially violate the > trademarks policy of OFBIZ and ASF. > After a cursory review of the content of these documents I would be even > tempted to propose the removal of the links from the documentation page, > rather than adding them to the top menu (and I am a bit surprised to see > that a PMC member may be in favor of adding them there). > > Regards, > > Jacopo > > > > > Nick > > > > On 2/12/2014 5:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> It shouldn't prove to difficult to have menu items in the menu bar of > the > >> website that directly link to pages in the wiki. > >> > >> Pierre Smits > >> > >> *ORRTIZ.COM<http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >> Services& Solutions for Cloud- > >> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >> Services and Retail& Trade > >> http://www.orrtiz.com > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato< > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> The project doesn't have much control over the information published in > >>> the wiki and we should not publish links in the official website that > may > >>> imply that these pages are official. In the past we had issues and > >>> discussions around what was published in the official website and the > >>> current website is the result of those. > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Jacques Le Roux< > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I think you have a point Nick, > >>>> > >>>> We could add those without expecting load issues on Confluence indeed. > >>>> > >>>> Jacques > >>>> > >>>> On Friday, February 07, 2014 4:06 PM, [email protected] wrote > >>>>> Pierre: "attract some more participation" -- exactly. > >>>>> > >>>>> I did see a response about the original change to omit these from the > >>>>> home page - I can't imagine that we have enough traffic to stress any > >>>>> server. > >>>>> > >>>>> If there is general agreement who can make the change? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/7/2014 3:53 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>>>> I agree with the above. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Not only will it deliver on the marketing aspect, but it might also > >>> attract > >>>>>> some more participation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM<http://ORRTIZ.COM>* > >>>>>> Services& Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>>> Services and Retail& Trade > >>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux< > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> That sounds a good marketing idea to me > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This was a bit like that before, > >>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=925066 > >>>>>>> But has been moved down because of conflicting opinions. I don't > >>> remember > >>>>>>> clearly... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What are others opinions? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:40 PM, [email protected] wrote > >>>>>>>> All, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Whenever I look at pretty much anything these days I look for a > >>>>>>>> "clients" link to see who is using a product or service. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If I'm looking to use a piece of software and review at the > vendor's > >>>>>>>> site I will often look to see who are the partners (integrators) > are > >>> -- > >>>>>>>> as a client I would be looking for some comfort level that the > >>> product > >>>>>>>> or service will well supported. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For OFBiz this is hidden under the "documentation" tab, at the > >>> bottom of > >>>>>>>> that page, in small font and labelled "Users of Apache OFBiz".and > >>>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz Service Providers". Documentation to me is just > that, a > >>>>>>>> list of user and technical documentation, white papers etc. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Could these two links to main navigation bar? I would suggest that > >>> the > >>>>>>>> main navigation is: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Home > >>>>>>>> Download > >>>>>>>> Community > >>>>>>>> Service Providers > >>>>>>>> Who is using OFBiz? > >>>>>>>> Documentation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Nick > >>> > >
