No I would say it's a perfectly appropriate venue given the context of the discussion.
Regards Scott On 14/03/2014, at 3:35 AM, Mike wrote: >> I believe he is a destructive force in the community > > This is an inappropriate venue for personal attacks. > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Scott Gray > <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote: > >> >> I won't be attending simply because it is organized by Pierre (and because >> the genesis of this meeting seems to have come from a very negative >> perspective). Those of you who are new to the community or who he is polite >> to may not be aware of how rude Pierre can be. While he does do some good >> work from time to time I believe his presence in the community causes more >> harm than good. He has almost continuously attacked or worked against the >> PMC for the last year or two and I simply have no interest in hearing >> anything he has to say any longer. Almost no one seems to remember that he >> told the ASF he would chair an OFBiz presence at an ApacheCon a year or so >> ago, it was advertised, calls for papers/talks were made and submitted and >> then not long before the conference... he disappeared with no explanation >> to anyone. PMC members were forced to attend the conference (that he >> organized without consulting the PMC at all) and chair in his place on >> short notice to maintain the credibility of the project. As far as I know >> he has never apologized to or thanked those who took his place and never >> offered an explanation, he simply reappeared 6 months later and carried on >> causing trouble as usual. I have a hard time believing Pierre will ever be >> a committer or core contributor to this project so long as he continues to >> spectacularly fail at working well with others (this is just my opinion, >> I'm only one voice of many in the community). While I believe he is a >> destructive force in the community, there is nothing I can do about that, >> everyone is pretty much free to do as they please. It's up to each and >> every one of you to decide what he brings to the table and interact with >> him accordingly. >> >> People talk about PMC "hidden agendas" and other conspiracy theories but >> often the reality is that it can be difficult to find motivation to work on >> a project that is constantly critical of the work you do. When I joined >> this project there was very little infighting and contributing was a >> rewarding experience that earned you respect and praise from your peers. >> It's a warm fuzzy feeling that keeps you active at nights and on weekends >> working on something you're passionate about. For me, that passion is fast >> disappearing because of people like Pierre (he is certainly not the first >> but he is particularly vocal). It feels like I'm regularly reading >> critical emails from various community members, either of the way the >> project is run or the way the project is progressing. What I very rarely >> see is any action behind the talk; people suggest major changes and then >> carry on with their day. No one actually gets anything done. I'm sure >> some of you would replace the entire PMC given half the chance and that may >> seem like some great achievement, but eventually... you're going to have >> to actually do something tangible to keep the community happy and achieve >> the goals you speak of. If you're not doing anything tangible now, then >> you're as much a part of the problem as anyone else, take pause before you >> throw those stones. You're being critical of those who have stayed when >> others have come and gone, those who have contributed more unpaid hours >> than most. >> >> How many of you can claim that you do the work in project that would match >> what you'd like to see from a committer or PMC member? There is absolutely >> nothing stopping you from making that type of contribution right now, so >> what is the issue? >> >> For those of you who have an opinion but aren't actually doing anything >> tangible (commit reviews, patch reviews, ticket research, contributing >> designs and documentation), the brighter future of OFBiz starts with you. >> Be the change that you want to see, go and do something productive for the >> project instead of complaining about what others are not doing. Just to be >> clear, contributing to general discussions isn't much of a contribution, >> it's extremely rare that they result in anything positive actually >> happening. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> >> On 7/03/2014, at 9:00 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I invite you to join me and participate in an open discussion on the >>> functioning and future of OFbiz via a teleconference on March 13, 2014. >>> >>> Share your thoughts and insights on how you feel it going and what you >>> would like to see addressed in the project. Plus, it is a great >> opportunity >>> to get to know your fellow community member better than just through >>> communications via mailing lists. >>> >>> I have set up a conference space through www.freeconferencecall.com and >>> tried to find an optimum sweet spot for the time slot to convene this >>> teleconference that will minimise the inconvenience for most. Therefore I >>> have chosen to set the starting time at 14:30 AMS time. Please find >> below a >>> small overview of starting times in different timezones: >>> >>> LocationLocal timeTime zoneUTC offsetLos >>> Angeles<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=137> (U.S.A. >>> - California)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 06:30:00PDT< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/pdt.html >>> UTC-7 >>> hoursNew York <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179> >> (U.S.A. >>> - New York)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 09:30:00EDT< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/edt.html >>> UTC-4 >>> hoursLondon <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136> >> (United >>> Kingdom - England)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 13:30:00GMT< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/gmt.html> >>> UTCAmsterdam <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=16> >>> (Netherlands)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 14:30:00CET< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/cet.html >>> UTC+1 >>> hourMoscow <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=166> >>> (Russia)Thursday, >>> 13 March 2014, 17:30:00MSK< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/msk.html >>> UTC+4 >>> hoursBangalore <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=438> >> (India >>> - Karnataka)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 19:00:00IST< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/asia/ist.html >>> UTC+5:30 >>> hoursBangkok <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=28> >>> (Thailand)Thursday, 13 March 2014, >>> 20:30:00ICT< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/asia/ict.html >>> UTC+7 >>> hoursAuckland <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=22> >> (New >>> Zealand)Friday, 14 March 2014, >>> 02:30:00NZDT< >> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/pacific/nzdt.html >>> UTC+13 >>> hoursCorresponding UTC (GMT)Thursday, 13 March 2014, 13:30:00 >>> Please find below some details about how to participate, but you can >> always >>> more info on the website of http://freeconferencecall.com >>> >>> *Conference Invite Details* Instructions*From: pierre.sm...@orrtiz.com >>> <pierre.sm...@orrtiz.com>* >>> >>> *Subject: * The Future of OFBiz - Open Discussion >>> *Date & time: * 2014-03-13 14:30 (GMT+01:00) >>> *Duration: * 2 hr. >>> >>> *Notes: * >>> >>> *Free Conference Call* >>> Conference Dial-in Number: +31 (0) 6 35205070 (Number in the >> Netherlands) >>> Participant Access Code: 779895# >>> >>> >>> >>> < >> http://www.freeconferencecall.com/fcci/internationalnumbers.aspx?lang=NL&altlang=EN&phonenumber=+31%20(0)%206%2035205070 >>> >>> >>> When prompted enter the access code that has been assigned, followed by >> the >>> # key. Once connected to the conference, you will be able to talk and >> have >>> access to the touch tone commands listed below. >>> >>> >>> Participant Feature KeysExit - exit the callInstructions - conference >>> instructionsMute/Unmute - caller controlled muting >>> >>> >>> I hope to see you there. >>> >>> With regards >>> >>> Pierre Smits >>> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>> Services and Retail & Trade >>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >>
