There are enough place for all villains in this ML
Jacques
Le 18/09/2014 16:07, Pierre Smits a écrit :
Jacopo,
This is the first (and presumably the best) place to ask these kind of
questions concerning the entire community of this project. All 892 of them.
Or should we (the other kind of community member than you - and those who
you regard as your equals - are) resort to back room politics and ask
these kind of question by mailing them to the [email protected] mailing
lists?
No thanks, I won't accept your apologies, while you continue your attempts
to discredit me and portray me as the villain trying to wreck this project
whenever you respond to any of my postings in any of the OFBiz mailing
lists (and I apologise for using the same kind of single brush stroke
tactics, or if I am mis-interpreting your intentions).
But I thank you for reporting to the community. Was that so hard?
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <
[email protected]> wrote:
On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
In September 2007 the PMC Chair of our project reported to the board of
the
ASF the following numbers regarding subscription to the projects mailing
lists:
- user@ofbiz: 515
- dev@ofbiz: 380
- commits@offbiz: 100
In March of 2010 the PMC Chair reported the following numbers:
- user@ofbiz: 718
- dev@ofbiz: 466
- commits:@ofbiz: 218
These numbers show significant increases from 2007 to 2010 across all
mailing lists, and indicate that we may have a healthy project.
But how are the numbers these days? Are they still rising, or are they on
the decline?
Pierre, why are you asking these questions to the user list?
Please clarify to the community your motivations and the reasons for your
continued attempts to discredit such an healthy project.
Your attempts to imply that the project is not healthy (and I apologize if
I am mis-interpreting your intentions) are completely baseless and
misleading for newcomers.
However, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to share with the
community a few useful information on this topic.
The project is still very healthy from all point of views and even if it
has a large and mature codebase there is still a lot of activity going on
(and even if it will ever decrease it would not be a bad signal per se).
Also, I disagree that the number of subscribers are a good indication of
project growth, nor the number of commits or similar.
In the past, without the help of the mailing list it was mostly impossible
to deploy successfully OFBiz. Now it is possible and easy because the
product has matured and we have a good release strategy. There are also
several alternative (to the mailing lists) channels to share information
about OFBiz (external mail archives, LinkedIn and other social media,
stackoverflow): this was not true in the past.
One thing didn't change since then: even in 2007 (and before and after) we
had people complaining about the health of the project and forecasting
obscure future for the project.
I am saying that the project is healthy for a number of reasons:
* because there are every day new companies/groups/individuals interested
in OFBiz, that select OFBiz after comparing it with other open source and
legacy products (we have a direct experience of this at HotWax Media, the
company I work for, but I am sure that you and others can confirm the same
trend)
* because the project is still keeping the framework updated (new Tomcat,
Freemarker, Log4j, DBCP2, etc...)
* because we are improving the framework and applications
* because we have now a steady rate of releases (this was not true in 2007
and in 2010): I know of several users that didn't subscribe to the mailing
lists but just downloaded OFBiz and, following the documentation, were able
to deploy a project.
For completeness, here are the stats about mailing list subscriptions at
today:
user: 892
dev: 545
commits: 255
Now let's all go back to work and to make OFBiz an even better product.
Kind regards,
Jacopo
