I guess it's the strange way that you word some of your emails. Instead of directing the question to someone who could answer it, the mailing list moderators, you directed your question to the community at large. Doing so can give the impression that there is something wrong with the health of the project that needs to be discussed.
I don't think Jacopo was criticising your use of the user list, but rather the way you worded your question in such an ambiguous manner. Given some of your past attempts to stir controversy in the community I'm not surprised he interpreted your email in a negative light. Meritocracy can work against you at times when community members perceive your past actions in a negative way. Regards Scott On 19/09/2014, at 2:07 am, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jacopo, > > This is the first (and presumably the best) place to ask these kind of > questions concerning the entire community of this project. All 892 of them. > > Or should we (the other kind of community member than you - and those who > you regard as your equals - are) resort to back room politics and ask > these kind of question by mailing them to the private@ofbiz.a.o mailing > lists? > > No thanks, I won't accept your apologies, while you continue your attempts > to discredit me and portray me as the villain trying to wreck this project > whenever you respond to any of my postings in any of the OFBiz mailing > lists (and I apologise for using the same kind of single brush stroke > tactics, or if I am mis-interpreting your intentions). > > But I thank you for reporting to the community. Was that so hard? > > > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < > jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> In September 2007 the PMC Chair of our project reported to the board of >> the >>> ASF the following numbers regarding subscription to the projects mailing >>> lists: >>> >>> - user@ofbiz: 515 >>> - dev@ofbiz: 380 >>> - commits@offbiz: 100 >>> >>> In March of 2010 the PMC Chair reported the following numbers: >>> >>> - user@ofbiz: 718 >>> - dev@ofbiz: 466 >>> - commits:@ofbiz: 218 >>> >>> These numbers show significant increases from 2007 to 2010 across all >>> mailing lists, and indicate that we may have a healthy project. >>> But how are the numbers these days? Are they still rising, or are they on >>> the decline? >> >> Pierre, why are you asking these questions to the user list? >> Please clarify to the community your motivations and the reasons for your >> continued attempts to discredit such an healthy project. >> >> Your attempts to imply that the project is not healthy (and I apologize if >> I am mis-interpreting your intentions) are completely baseless and >> misleading for newcomers. >> >> However, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to share with the >> community a few useful information on this topic. >> >> The project is still very healthy from all point of views and even if it >> has a large and mature codebase there is still a lot of activity going on >> (and even if it will ever decrease it would not be a bad signal per se). >> Also, I disagree that the number of subscribers are a good indication of >> project growth, nor the number of commits or similar. >> In the past, without the help of the mailing list it was mostly impossible >> to deploy successfully OFBiz. Now it is possible and easy because the >> product has matured and we have a good release strategy. There are also >> several alternative (to the mailing lists) channels to share information >> about OFBiz (external mail archives, LinkedIn and other social media, >> stackoverflow): this was not true in the past. >> One thing didn't change since then: even in 2007 (and before and after) we >> had people complaining about the health of the project and forecasting >> obscure future for the project. >> >> I am saying that the project is healthy for a number of reasons: >> * because there are every day new companies/groups/individuals interested >> in OFBiz, that select OFBiz after comparing it with other open source and >> legacy products (we have a direct experience of this at HotWax Media, the >> company I work for, but I am sure that you and others can confirm the same >> trend) >> * because the project is still keeping the framework updated (new Tomcat, >> Freemarker, Log4j, DBCP2, etc...) >> * because we are improving the framework and applications >> * because we have now a steady rate of releases (this was not true in 2007 >> and in 2010): I know of several users that didn't subscribe to the mailing >> lists but just downloaded OFBiz and, following the documentation, were able >> to deploy a project. >> >> For completeness, here are the stats about mailing list subscriptions at >> today: >> >> user: 892 >> dev: 545 >> commits: 255 >> >> Now let's all go back to work and to make OFBiz an even better product. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jacopo
