As a user, I appreciate information or even marketing emails related to ofbiz. If not here, then where?
For instance, I appreciate it when bigfish announces a new version for download [here], and I also appreciate it when Pierre posts new modules. What is the big deal? The developers have ANOTHER email list, which I don't subscribe (because I don't care about it), so, yes, posting ads to THAT small audience is not appropriate. Let's lighten up... Please. > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz I believe this is all about Pierre. I think the stuff HE is doing with ofbiz is fantastic and much appreciated (from my viewpoint). On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jacques, > > Thank you for expressing a perception. > > If that were so I guess the punishment described in the announcement would > have been effected. > > But given that the statement is interpretable in many ways, I just thought > to hedge my bets. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > OFBiz based solutions & services > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Pierre, > > > > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz > > > > Jacques > > > > > > > > Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit : > > > >> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ! > >> > >> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A > >> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF > >> project, > >> as the announcement lacks various references. > >> > >> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that > >> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC > members? > >> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that > >> is > >> indeed necessary)? > >> > >> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that > >> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are > >> not > >> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And > are > >> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few > >> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to > the > >> project's image? > >> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment > >> in > >> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to > only > >> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or > >> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this > >> project? > >> > >> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against > >> an > >> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various > >> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various > viewpoints > >> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how > >> they > >> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the > >> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen > >> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action > plan > >> and resulting in a clear ruleset. > >> > >> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does > >> that > >> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base > >> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the > posting > >> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where > >> the > >> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something > that > >> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'? > >> > >> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought > before > >> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further > description. > >> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers > >> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, > or > >> what? > >> > >> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of > the > >> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage > >> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the > >> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and > >> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we > >> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of > the > >> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member > >> can > >> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions? > >> > >> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of > >> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life > >> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the > >> punishment fits the crime? > >> > >> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he > >> will > >> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists? > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Pierre Smits > >> > >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > >> OFBiz based solutions & services > >> > >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages > >>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the > same > >>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which > OFBiz > >>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are > >>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image. > >>> > >>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some > >>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their > >>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list: > >>> > >>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing > >>> > >>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will > be > >>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists. > >>> > >>> The OFBiz PMC > >>> > >>> > > >
