Hi,

> I'm also pretty sure they were installed by default with Owncloud 6? 
> Owncloud 7?
and I hadn't disabled them. 

yes. Those where enabled as a default in versions prior to OC8.

But you shouldn't get this issue with both apps if the upgrade manual here:

https://doc.owncloud.org/server/8.0/admin_manual/maintenance/upgrade.html#manual-upgrade-procedure

is followed. Especially the step which says that everything expect "config"
and "data" should be deleted.



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