> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael McGrady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:12 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Servlet help for a Struts programmer
> 
> 
> At 12:57 PM 8/10/2004, you wrote:
> >From: "Michael McGrady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > There is no project that is "just servlets" unless it is nuts.
> >
> >It is *entirely* possible that there are webapps still 
> running out there
> >that are done completely with Servlets.  No JSP, no Struts, 
> nothing but
> >(IIRC) out.println( "bunch of html here");
> >
> >Struts did not always exist, and since JSP's get compiled 
> into Servlet code,
> >they had to come after Servlets, indicating that there was a 
> point in time
> >when there were only Servlets.  Even if the Servlet & JSP 
> specs came out
> >together, it's entirely possible that the original author was more
> >comfortable writing straight Java and avoided JSP for that 
> or some other
> >reason.
> >
> >Someone who came straight to Struts would not necessarily 
> have a clue about
> >mapping Servlets in web.xml, or getting parameters directly from the
> >request, etc.  Yes, Struts is based on Servlets, but you 
> don't have to know
> >anything about Servlets to make a useful Struts webapp.
> >
> >To the OP, if no one has yet suggested it, Jason Hunter's 
> "Java Servlet
> >Programming" book is getting dated (perhaps there is a new 
> edition now?) but
> >is a good reference.
> >
> >--
> >Wendy Smoak
> 
> A webapp completely in servlets?  No helper classes?  No 
> decoupling from 
> Servlets at all?  I doubt it!  But, if so, it is nuts, as I said, and 
> certainly not the question here.  I assume that he would like to do 
> something that does not resemble the stone age.

Guess what.... don't doubt it.  I did it.  I wrote them.  I hated it.  It was painful. 
 It was complex.  It was ugly.

In fact if you see a url that includes something like /servlet/blah you are probably 
looking at a website done entirely in servlets.


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