Jim, all the code i`m talking about is inside a Base
Action Form. It seems the you`re thinking that my code
is inside a action, aren`t you?? Maybe a
misundertanding, maybe mine, maybe yours.

So, i agree with some of your comments, but not on all
of thems. In fact, i`m gonna to take a look about this
customized classes to use with validator.

 


 --- Jim Barrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leandro Melo
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:48 PM
> > To: struts jakarta
> > Subject: ActionForm with all application
> attributes
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > i sent this question yesterday, but as nowbody
> > answered me, i trying it again with a more
> > sifinificant title (sorry for the re-post).
> > Also, if i'm doing something terrible, i'd like to
> > know.
> > 
> > Keeping in mind that more than one action form may
> > have to validate and/or reset the same fields, i
> > decided to this.
> >  
> > I already have a MyBaseActionForm which
> incorporates
> > all
> > some methods that i need in my application. I
> don't
> > use Validator, as i prefer to use java classes for
> > validation  ligth business logic.
> > 
> > Now, i decided to add ALL fileds (setters and
> > getters)
> > i have in my application as private members of
> this
> > MyBaseActionForm.
> > 
> > Then i created classes WebValidation and WebReset.
> > This classes have validate methods for all fields
> in
> > my application. These classes can access the
> fields
> > they need for each method because all my action
> > forms
> > extend the MyBaseActionForm, thus this
> WebValidation
> > and WebReset classes can call the setters and
> > getters
> > of an y action form to validate with the light
> > business logic i need.
> > 
> > I got with this approach a centralized way and
> > "component" responsible for the validation. All my
> > action forms delegate the validate and reset
> methods
> > to the classes i mentioned.
> > 
> > I'd like to briefly describe some nice
> > benefits of this approach.
> > 
> > - With this approach i definetly solve my earlier
> > problem that i posted on question "1:N
> relationships -
> > ActionForm x DTOs".
> 
> Didn't see this post, but yes there could be 1 to
> many between ActinForm and DTO's, and this is not a
> problem.  ActionForms directly represent what is on
> the screen, while DTO's represent your data.  You
> have a 1-to-many relationship between screens and
> tables.
> 
> > 
> > - With this approach i got no coupling between my
> > ActionForm and DTOs.
> 
> What do you mean by coupling?  You still have to
> transfer data to and from the DTO.
> 
> > 
> > - With this approach i have a centralized validate
> > unit. It's very usual to have more than 1 action
> form
> > validating the same field, what may causes some
> > duplication and a harder maintenance. A central
> unit
> > of validation and resetting suits this problem
> very
> > well.
> 
> The strtus validate stuff is centralized, and easier
> to configure.  Doing it all in one class, means that
> at some point your going to have logic to handle
> special cases.... The more of these you have hte
> more complex the logic... Complex logic is directly
> related to the stability of your code.
> In addition I don't have to code the validations
> myself.  Just specify what I want validated and I'm
> done.  You could do the same thing, however you
> still have to glue it all together.
> 
> > 
> > - With this approach i can perform light business
> > validation that must be done in java code. So, for
> one
> > or more situation i could access some util classes
> > that do some validation for me.
> 
> You can do this with custom validation classes and
> still achieve centralizations.  Depending on what
> you mean by light business validation.  I like
> consistency in where things are.  Business rules in
> business layer, and validation in the view tier.  A
> newcomer to the app would have to guess (yeah, sure
> they'll ask, maybe) where the code is supposed to
> go.
> 
> > 
> > - With this approach i have very small action
> forms
> > that basically has a validate and reset methods
> that
> > just delegate to the WebValidation and WebReset
> > classes.
> 
> With the standard struts approach I have even
> smaller action classes.... no validate or reset
> methods.
> 
> > 
> > - With this approach i also have a central unit of
> > fields and their types, so if it's necessary to
> chance
> > them, i don't need to go through all the action
> forms
> > that have these fields. 
> 
> You can do this with a base action form.
> 
> > 
> > This approach will only work correctly if you
> don't
> > have fields with the same name in your
> application.
> > Naturally, this is not a drawback because forces
> you
> > to use a nice use of software engineering forcing
> you
> > to give significant names for the fiels.
> 
> Not entirely true.  I have several fields that get
> validated differently based on where they come from,
> or where the data is going (some customers will
> accept a phone number that is 10-30 numbers, -() and
> '.', others want a US phone number).  Right now, I
> use a different form bean for each, and use a common
> base class for everything.  The different child
> class allows for different completely different
> validations, which is what I need.  Doing it your
> way would make this customization much harder, since
> I would have to sublcass the validation class too.
> With struts 1.2, I can use inheritance and make this
> even easier then the copy and paste I use now.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Well, i'd appreciate comments (bad or nice ones)
> on
> > that.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Leandro
> > 
> > 
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