Struts Shale has no impact on Struts Classic or Jericho. As mentioned elsewhere, we are not governed by the economics of scarcity.
Likewise, we are not governed by the economics of market share. There are several very active projects with thriving communities with a much smaller market share than Struts. The ASF doesn't care whether three hundred or three million developers use the framework. The foundation's only concern is whether there is a community that cares about the product, and volunteers who are willing to support the codebase and each other. Size doesn't matter. Caring does. How do we show we care? * By posting helpful replies to the list, * By evolving the codebase through patches for bug fixes, refactorings, and new features, and * By starting the occasional revolution, just to keep things interesting :) A project could have a 100% market share, but if non one volunteered to do these things, the ASF would consider the project a failure. The true measure of an open source project is not downloads *from* the project, it's posts and commits *to* the project. -Ted. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:04:53 -0800, Dakota Jack wrote: > I guess asking what the vote is does give good reason for this. I > like you so much Vic that it would be hard to fault you. But, I am > surprised that a mere question about the vote could engender this > sort of thing. Interesting. I am really interested in JERICHO. > What SHALE does is not important to me except insofar as that has > some impact on JERICHO. There could be a million projects for all > I care. > > Jack > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:31:55 -0600, Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I hope you think this is funny Jack, sometimes I amuse myself: >> >> I think the shortest answer is that anyone un-happy (with >> multiple projects?) can: A. fork any friendly license like ASF >> and refactor under the terms of license, maintain the source code >> or see if they can develop a user community, B: use another non >> Struts project that they like better. >> >> Who cares what the votes are, if any, and who cares if they have >> no time to report on everything. The more projects the better, >> let Darwin decide. Right now Struts has a large % production >> market share, so unlikley that anything bad could happen. I used >> Struts when it was not #1, I don't care much for "popular" >> opinion, I use my own analysis. (A good read is chapter on >> lemings by Waren Buffet book). >> What was that platform where they tell us the "ONE" true way and >> their marketed "ONE" direction. Who knows where the market will >> go. >> >> I have a request for the comitters: "What direction will the >> stock market go, and please send me a privately the ONE stocks >> that will be largest % mover for the coming week every Monday >> before the market opens.". This would make me a happier Struts >> user and would keep Struts in good light in my eyes. If you don't >> do that, I will think less of you the developers, and I say ASF >> should not let you comit any more code as pumishment for not >> making me happy. You OWE me that, for the privilage of me linking >> to your jars. >> Else I will imeditley start using another MVC and tell all my >> friend to do the same! ;-) >> >> Seriously gang, thanks for making it easy for us to have sucess >> full proejct. Thanks for all the Struts modules and your code >> donations to the community. Source code = good. >> >> .V >> >> Dakota Jack wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the answer. My question is how the community was >>> taken into account and whether the details of the voting is >>> secret or open? >>> >>> Are the votes public or is the issue raised publicly? Or is >>> the community taken into account privately? I am just trying >>> to get a feeling for what the direction of Struts is likely to >>> be and I cannot do this without knowing what the workings are. >>> If they are private, then they are. If the votes are public, I >>> would like to know what they were. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:12:45 -0600, Eddie Bush >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> The PMC makes such decisions, but takes the community into >>>> account when making the decision. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Eddie Bush >>>> >>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:13:15 -0800, Dakota Jack >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> At the risk of being flamed, might I ask if this debate, >>>>> vote, whatever was public or limited to the PMC? And, >>>>> might I ask if this was sub rosa (so to speak), is that >>>>> typical? I do not mean to suggest anything but merely to >>>>> gather information about the processes, since these >>>>> processes impact my use of Struts and my business >>>>> decisions. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jack >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:03:02 -0800 (PST), Martin Cooper >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The Apache Struts team is pleased to announce the >>>>>> adoption of its latest subproject, Struts Shale, a JSF- >>>>>> based framework. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> </snip> >>> >> >> -- >> RiA-SoA w/JDNC <http://www.SandraSF.com> forums >> - help develop a community >> My blog <http://www.sandrasf.com/adminBlog> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > -- > ------------------------------ > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > back." > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > "You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." > > ~Native Proverb~ > > "Each man is good in His sight. 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