On 4/12/05, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BINGO -- There is a rule on revolutionary developements in ASF which > is pretty much abridged by this comment, Craig, and made worse by your > repeating it. If you are doing revolutionary development, the ASF > rule is, as I understand it, that you don't pretend to have superceded > the present until after your develpment is finished, a vote is taken, > and you prevail. Your development with Shale is not only > revoltionary, it is, in the Struts world, anarchy. So, I would assume > you would want to follow the rule and not bad mouth what you are > trying to change until someone says (a) you are done and have > something to propose: (b) a vote is taken; and (c) you prevail. This > constant carping against Struts is not seemly when your ideas may > never be accepted. I guess one way of grabbing power in a > Machievellian way and with a philosophy of nihilism is to create > confusion and division. This comment has already done that, and no > doubt your continued endorsement will continue to create more > confusion. >
If you look back into history, you'll be amused to note that the "Rules for Revolutionaries" document came about because of a revolution *I* precipitated in the Tomcat community (Tomcat 3.2 was current, and there were competing proposals for the architecture for Tomcat 4). The revoluton won in that scenario, for what it's worth -- and the Tomcat code at that time was pretty much as "done" as Shale is now, in terms of overall functional completeness, but that isn't a requirement for a decision on a *future* architecture direction. > I believe in Darwin as does Ted in these matterrs. But, someone is > poisoning the pond and giving their own duckies, in my opinion. > > If there is a different rule on advocating Shale-Struts as Struts.next > for Craig, that is understandable. It was *proposed* as Struts 2 but not accepted that way. It was *accepted* by the PMC (like it or not) as a Struts sub-project, and is now described that way (other than the historical reference to where it came from in the first place). Discussions about how people think Shale (or Struts 1.3, or any of the other Struts subprojects) should evolve are welcome on the developer list. Discussions about the use of any of this stuff are welcome on the user list. > > Jack > Craig --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
