I'm thinking you _still_ don't know what "libel" is, but feel free to
sue me.
Leave my employer out of it. As we're fond of saying, "no jumping in."
If you'd rather I posted only from one of my non-work email accounts I'm
happy to do that as well if it makes you feel better.
If you'd like to meet in person to discuss this issue I'm happy to oblige.
And yes, I posted this to the group rather than you personally, because:
a) you won't talk to me directly
b) you felt so wronged that you emailed my boss rather than me
b) I just like people to know what's going on behind the scenes
Dave
Dave Newton wrote:
Dakota Jack wrote:
Just so you know, Alexandre Poitras, and others with similar tendencies,
calling someone a "troll" in a professional setting having to do with
their
occupation almost certainly is an actionable per se libel with presumed
damages and linking the person doing the libel to any and all
jurisdictions
covered by this list.
Okay, I'll bite: troll. Troll troll troll. Troll. Mind you, I'm not
calling you the mythological (perhaps quasi-mythological) creature from
fables, I'm calling you an internet troll as defined here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll.
From time to time you post genuinely useful stuff; the rest of the time
you take four sentences to tell somebody how little they know and
attempt to pass it off as somehow being helpful, enlightening, or
educational... but it's not: it's mean-spirited and demeaning. You can
tell somebody you think they're wrong in much better ways. I have
personally developed a slew of ways of calling people stupid that allow
them the honor of thanking me for doing it afterwards. It's actually a
LOT more fun that way.
I don't mentor people by telling them how little they know about a
technology or the relative merits of one versus another; that isn't
functional. I don't teach my students by pointing out how little they
know and making constant, somewhat passive-aggressive comments regarding
their lack of knowledge. I am supportive and encouraging: _that's_ what
makes an educator great, and I'm not even all that good.
Of course, much of the negative commentary you write to and about people
that disagree with you, whether or not they're correct (I, at least,
believe you make perfectly valid points at times) might _also_ be
construed as libel, as defined by the _American and English Encylopedia
of Law_ as: "a malicious defamation expressed either by writing or
printing or by signs, pictures, effigies or the like; tending to blacken
the memory of one who is dead, or to impeach the honesty, integrity,
virtue or reputation, or to publish the natural or alleged defects of
one who is alive, thereby exposing him to public hatred, contempt,
ridicule or obloquy; or to cause him to be avoided or shunned or to
injure him in his office, business or occupation."
There are several interesting bits contained within this definition that
warrant closer examination.
1) Malicious. I don't even consider _your_ negative posts malicious, I
just consider them rude and demeaning. I don't think I've ever seen a
truly malicious post, even including some of the more unsavory ones from
ex-listers gone awry ;)
2) "[...] impeach the honesty, integrity [...]" If anyone should tread
lightly in this area it would have to be those that question the motives
of certain developers regarding certain technologies that some of us may
or may not like or approve of.
3) If a post here ever caused anybody to be exposed to "public hatred,
contempt, ridicule or obloquy" I'd be impressed, as I really didn't
think our readership was that high.
4) "[...] cause him to be avoided or shunned or to injure him [...]"
Have you noticed that the only posts of yours that people reply to are
the ones that either contain useful information, questions, etc. or are
dealing with somebody that hasn't learned to your mean, trolling ones?
The one that has been most exposed to public contempt, at least, appears
to be you, and the one most shunned in this (according to you)
"professional setting" is _you_.
I believe you're smart and capable yet I see your posts in my inbox like
an accident on the side of the road: I don't want to look, because so
often there's blood and mayhem, but I feel compelled to. Occasionally I
am pleasantly surprised with an actual discussion. I'll admit a certain
amount of disappointment sometimes that there isn't another wonderful
flame-fest brewing, but I generally get over that fairly quickly.
This is not a chat room where idiocies and loose talk
are the common fare. This is a professional setting.
This is a mailing list, not an office. This is, at best, a
"professional-as-possible" setting. Would you use the language you use
against those who disgree with you in a "professional setting"? _I_ sure
wouldn't, and I wouldn't tolerate it from anybody that worked with me or
for me, either.
Quite frankly, idiocies _do_ seem to be rather common fare, but that's
because people seem incapable of looking at documentation.
Sorry to have to discuss something other than the issues.
Why apologize THIS time?!
Dave
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