I agree with you Michael since our designer is a big fan of Zen Garden and I must say I don't miss working with tables :) I would like a strict XHTML rendererkit but I must say that at least the JSF standard components don't produce garbage . What I am doing right now is developping new renderers for the components I need, it doesn't take a big effort anyway. Maybe I can regroup those renderer in a rendererkit once I have several renderers done. But it's the main weakness of a component approach, having to deal with the generation of markup that maybe you don't like. But at least in JSF the renderer is separated from the UI component.
On 1/11/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mailreader is for developers, not for people from marketing > department. It is not supposed to be beautiful, it is supposed to show > how common tasks are done with Struts: data in, processing, data out. > How it is presented is not that important. I mean it is important that > a framework can generate lists or comboboxes or trees (can Struts > generate trees?). But the actual styling is of less importance. One > just needs to know can he change the style and how easy. > > I think that JSF should work better with XHTML/CSS-style web > development. Spit out a generic list or table in a DIV and apply > external CSS to it. It should be as simple as that. One can visit CSS > Zen Garden for examples of how cool XHTML can look like. > > Michael. > > On 1/11/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would agree, except for the fact that MailReader is not by any measure > > an impressive application (sufficient yes, but not impressive)... in the > > context of JSF (and Shale), where at least part of the point is to > > enable easily building more advanced types of applications (that *IS* > > part of the point, right?!?), I don't think it would do justice to the > > technologies its demoing. I mean, we wouldn't want anyone to think the > > best JSF can do is MailReader, would we?? :) (even me, who isn't > > exactly a JSF booster, wouldn't find that fair) > > > > Frank > > > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > On 1/11/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >>My major complaint is that every single example and tutorial I've found is > > >>so simplistic and frankly ugly as hell that it can't help but cast JSF in > > >>a bad light > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure sounds a lot like a canonical example program that's been around here > > > for a few years ... Struts MailReader :-). > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Alexandre Poitras Québec, Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
