Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> Welcome Jonathan!  Better late than never :)

As long as it doesn't degrade into the Velocity vs. FreeMarker tirades
of old :/

> [...] to ignore the bad parts of human nature would be folly

Devil's Dictionary entry for "communism"?

> There are better places to "get your legs" than something like Struts.

You know, I've always thought it would be cool to have [potentially
usable] projects where there could be code reviews, advice given, etc.
to any developer that wanted to participate, as a sort of "mentoring
project" kind of thing. Perhaps it would have to be funded by the
contributers, a company, school, or something as it would undoubtedly
take large chunks of time, but it could be interesting.

> Sure, you could always back it out if you had to [...]

...which obviously takes even _more_ time: not only do you have to find
the source of the trouble but everywhere the trouble touches, and this
would lead to massive headaches very quickly, so I completely agree:
commit access must be guarded.

>> I think that any project has to have some coherent message and a
>> person who visits your website and starts looking at the mail archive
>> and so on has to be able to figure out quite quickly "WTF is struts"
>> and to have such an incoherent message due to this Action/Shale
>> bifurcation seems very negative. It just seems complicated and confused.
>
> I think it is fair to say you are not alone in that opinion.  What can
> be done about it, other than voicing the concern, I don't know.  And
> heck, those that hold that opinion *could* be wrong.

_Definitely_ not alone... I think that _if_ these will both be under the
Struts umbrella (which seems a Bad Idea to me) there needs to be a
_very_ clear, explicit declaration that they are _very_ different
animals, serve _very_ different needs, and are_ definitely_not_ the same
thing.

Calling it a leg doesn't make it one and all that.

Dave



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