Yesterday : "The stability of a platform like Struts is a big deal" Today : "Backward compatibility is never a reason to trash a product. You go through a process of deprecation."
On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no idea, Alexandre, why you think this is a contradiction. Could you > please point that out? > > On 3/30/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You lack memory Dakota, here's what you just wrote yesterday : > > > > "The hullabaloo, Larry, is about the stability of the platform with a > > bunch > > of committers who don't appear to be up to the job and who are not willing > > to look at what went wrong. The stability of a platform like Struts is a > > big deal. This is a time to decide to go with or to get off the Struts > > wagon. How the committers respond has a lot to do with this." > > > > You just contradicted yourself... But you are so superior to us mere > > mortals that I am probably wrong again. > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You > > > > toadies to the process are the ones that always start this crap. The > > truth > > > > is that you don't know shit. If you did, you would be all over this > > > > question. Backward compatibility is never a reason to trash a > > product. You > > > > go through a process of deprecation. > > > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about him Bart. I said it and I will say it again, he > > is > > > > > a troll. I tried to have a constructive discussion with him several > > > > > times. It always ends up in personal attacks (go read some books and > > > > > come back...) but he is the one never backing up his claims. I am > > all > > > > > for freedom of speech and CONSRUCTIVE CRITICISM but I think people > > > > > have been REALLY tolerant with him. I can't count how many times he > > > > > bashed Craig freely or any other commiters. It sounds like jalousy > > to > > > > > me. Dakota, this list is owned by Apache and you are a guess here. > > It > > > > > is not an absolute right. > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I begin to think Shale should move to another place > > because > > > > > the amount of noise on this list is terrible. I don't write a lot on > > > > > this list but I do read it a lot and this noise is getting really > > out > > > > > of control. Thank to 2 guys who have decided Apache doesn't fit > > their > > > > > point of view and therefore anybody who don't think the same > > way are > > > > > wrong . Here's a clue : you can take the code, evolve it and start > > > > > your own community then quite BUGGING US with your childish fights > > > > > since you will be so successful. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, for those who may believe those guys, Struts 1.x didn't > > > > > not evolve as fast as WebWork for one reason : API Backward > > > > > compatibilit, something very important to frameworks. This is one of > > > > > the reason this community is so huge. Is it that hard to understand > > ? > > > > > For instance, it has been well known since a long time that sending > > an > > > > > HttpServletRequest's instance to actions was a bad idea and a > > neutral > > > > > context object should have been used instead but it hasn't been > > > > > changed to keep the API consistant. Hence the need for a version 2.0 > > . > > > > > WebWork technically already gots it right but always lacked (from > > what > > > > > I heard) a big user community, something Struts has always enjoyed > > > > > because of its commitment to backward compatibility. So both > > > > > frameworks win in this merge especially given the strong competition > > > > > coming from components-oriented frameworks. Technical excellence is > > > > > not the only success factor. Only idealists think this way. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dakota Jack wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dion, you are obviously really green. Please read a bit and then > > come > > > > > > >back. Do you have any idea about architecture and design and > > testing > > > > > > >issues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an example of the kind of post this list could do without. > > The > > > > > > above post basically boils down to: > > > > > > > > > > > > "you disagree with me so you must be uneducated, go read up some > > and > > > > > > then come talk with the big boys" > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but that is just insulting and most un-helpful. Jack, > > please > > > > > > explain your point of view so us mere > > > > > > mortals can actually learn something rather than being all smug > > and > > > > > > superior on people who dissagree with > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Alexandre Poitras > > > > > Québec, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > > back." > > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alexandre Poitras > > > Québec, Canada > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alexandre Poitras > > Québec, Canada > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." > ~Dakota Jack~ > > -- Alexandre Poitras Québec, Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
