R.I..
On 06/20/2012 03:45 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Scott O'Bryan wrote:
Part of determining a JSF library is finding the one that works right
for you. Trinidad has (for a long time) not bad any major increases
in functionality. While I do not consider the product dead, I can see
some of the frustration.
Scott, first let me emphasize that my opening posting was not meant
as a criticism about your work on Trinidad. After all, you belong
to the people who still work on it. But you actually nailed my
issue with your next two sentences:
The thing about open source, however, is that it requires community
involvement. This isn't a commercial product.
+1
And an active OSS project needs two kinds of community: user
community that may help each other, and developer community that
fixes stuff and creates new code.
My provocative question was actually meant as a way to gauge a
reaction of that community, since so many Trinidad postings here
have been completely ignored in the last few months. I still see
some activity in JIRA, so there is a (small?) developer community;
but the user community doesn't seem to exist in sufficient number.
Please note that also nobody posted here that he uses Trinidad and
sees no problem at all with its current state.
E.g., I'm active in TeX development since 1982. Without our user
communities, our mailing lists and newsgroups, our fora, where
user-level questions are answered, we developers couldn't make it.
IMHO, both aspects of community are needed. Or do you think that
the postings here with user questions are not answered because
they're too difficult?
I fully agree with this Joachim. Thing is, there are some questions
that get answered and some that don't. Targeted and informed questions
where the user has done their research and has discovered an issue
typically get a response. Ones where people say "My app is broken, here
it is, fix it" don't.
For me and some of the others, it's about time and I think steady shifts
in priority have largely contributed to our lack of focus on end-user
issues. It's not that they are hard, simply that many require me to set
up a test app to try them out. This may indeed mean that the community
is too small.
I for one, think that the real issue here is excitement. Open source
projects need excitement in order for people to get excited about them.
Being a "solid and stable" product is cool, but without the new
features, people loose enthusiasm. And yes, while the Trinidad
ifrastructure is AWESOME and can support a much more advanced framework
(ADFFaces is a prime example), not much has been done to enhance
trinidad to take advantage of these features.
So yes, I can see where you're coming from. Traffic has certainly
dwindled and people's priorities are elsewhere. I wouldn't, however,
count out Trinidad just yet. Sometimes these things go in cycles. In
the end, either the project will get new life or it won't. I think that
remains to be seen. But for someone like you who thought enough about
the project to raise your objection, I think you might be better as
seeing this as an opportunity.
If there is some
functionality you'd like to see in Trinidad, please open up a
discussion on the dev list about it. We'd like to hear from you.
Hmm, my 1st wish would be simple:
Package the SVN-tagged 1.2.15 release. :-)
HAHA. ;) I get ya! Like I say, 1.2 has not been my priority and
unless you're looking at taking it over, I think it will be the last 1.2..
I do have a question for you since you seem to be wanting it
released... It's one that I have not got an answer for. Do you think
that 1.2.15 should have the few outstanding bugs commited to the already
tagged release or would you like to see the code from the experimental
branches merged in as well.
For better or worse, many of the developers added a bunch of patches and
fixes to 1.2.12 one-offs and did not merge them into 1.2.15. A 1.2.15 +
a few patches is a far less daunting prospect on my side, but if you
want the bugs from these experimental branches merged in, that may be
doable. It will just take me even more time and I've been sort of
dreading it.
Scott
