Hi Guys, That what I say to version 5.
I understand both people these they say version 5.0 is the right way or 4.XX. For a marketing men version 5 looks like a big deal but under the hood what’s really new? I know there are new features but what of them is a groundbreaking feature? For me its not important if there is a 5. Or a 4.XX version. I see the the stability of the UI is one of the important things we have to do. Hey folks, a project with a good API but no working UI will not be a cloud environment. In the long run it will not be interesting for new people. --My team and me will work in the next months make the jQuery UI better, add features and try to bug fix. I hope anybody will help. We started with any thing like jQuery library update and will go further. Normally we don’t need a new UI but we need to fix it and make it better.-- The things to do that are there. I know that any web frontend developer will say oooohhh „jQuery“ its very old lets use a newer thing. We know all that every year new features come new features and programming languages and everytime there come people they say why you use such a old … A good UI is a working UI and one of the important things of a cloud environment! humans are visual! Not all but I think the most of them. Okay it should looks good and not so ugly but it should be working and let the people do the things they want to do. I worked with VMware vCloud and OpenStack too and I think the interface is not so bad. It needs some love :) Thats what I think for a change from 4.X.X to 5.0.0 5.0.0 Is a Marketing hype and let people outside from cloudstack think there's something going on... 4.X.X is really without this marketing hype and I think the same like Ivan, what he wrote is the same what I think. Maybe maybe you will find a compromise and make a 5.0.0 for the marketing hype let us do what we do now - cleanup, improving codebase, stabilize the existing functions and add new features! I see the same like @Ivan. > Well, my intention is to prevent the community from doing revolutionary > changes intending to deliver redesigned 5.0, to keep going the current road > improving the codebase, removing the odd stuff like 'Citrix NetScaler', > 'Juniper XYZ' if nobody supports them, improving current functionality and > adding new core features which are opensource without vendor lock-in, e.g. > SDNs (I know Wido is very into it) e.g. Cumulus infra support. I believe > current codebase is a pretty capable basement for future stable > functionality. @Wido > SDNs (I know Wido is very into it) e.g. Cumulus infra support Yes we use cumulus… great! Sorry for my English. 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The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 26.01.2019 um 03:36 schrieb Ivan Kudryavtsev <kudryavtsev...@bw-sw.com>: > > Well, my intention is to prevent the community from doing revolutionary > changes intending to deliver redesigned 5.0, to keep going the current road > improving the codebase, removing the odd stuff like 'Citrix NetScaler', > 'Juniper XYZ' if nobody supports them, improving current functionality and > adding new core features which are opensource without vendor lock-in, e.g. > SDNs (I know Wido is very into it) e.g. Cumulus infra support. I believe > current codebase is a pretty capable basement for future stable > functionality. > > About new UI, etc stuff... Let's be honest. We develop CloudStack-UI > project for 1.5 years AFAIK. No single PR from other developers. Next, > Imagine, you have tree dedicated devs for CS5.X. Ok, it will take two years > to deliver new UI. Is it possible? NO. > > Only gradual improvement can work for the current production team. We need > to put efforts to broaden the community, delivering the stuff which > helps new adopters to launch fast, e.g. as simple as Proxmox VE or oVirt or > VmWare ESXi. New users don't need much top-notch stuff, they need to > bootstrap fast. > > > > > сб, 26 янв. 2019 г. в 04:26, Rafael Weingärtner <rafaelweingart...@gmail.com >> : > >> I am 100% with @Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> with respect to >> 4.12. I do diverge regarding the next LTS version though. >> >> As you all guys said, the community is small, and as such, if we have the >> requirement for multiple major changes, before upgrading the "X" bit in a >> release, we will never go there (that is a fact). In my opinion, because >> the community is small, we should look for a single major change (e.g. new >> database upgrade method/scheme), and this should trigger the next major >> release. The ability to upgrade the "X" bit free us to remove things such >> as the basic network support (of course, we need to create a migration >> path), new database scheme management method, normalize log messages and >> logging framework and so on (many more issues can be listed here). >> >> I really do not understand why we have so much resistance from some people >> on this topic. >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM Suresh Kumar Anaparti < >> sureshkumar.anapa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sounds good. Altogether, the makeover should be a new user experience and >>> leverage the latest hypervisor/storage tech and new/redesigned >> frameworks. >>> >>> -Suresh >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:13 AM Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm in the favour of keeping the 4.x going because no API compatibility >>> is >>>> broken, and as long as we are following semver there is no need. >> Calling >>> a >>>> 4.x a 5.x just for the sake of bumping versions may cause some >> perception >>>> issue. >>>> >>>> Removal of unsupported/poc/incomplete features, plugins including APIs >>>> should not constitute breaking of compatibility. Several network and >>>> hypervisor plugins are still in poc/incomplete/unmaintained state. >>>> >>>> Unless the API layer, and perhaps DB layer is re-architected there is >> no >>>> point in calling the next version 5.x as long as semver is followed. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, the next major version 5.0 should have a restful >> versioned >>>> API layer, a new DB+upgrade framework that may support multiple db >>> servers, >>>> a new UI, sandboxed plugin framework (right now a plugin can do >> anything >>> it >>>> wants to say the cloud db), a new agent-clustering framework (the >> current >>>> low level nio and rpc code goes away), a distributed message bus and >>>> locking service (that we thought to introduce in 4.2,4.3 but >> incomplete), >>>> and refactor the networking/VR layer with a new VR. Not to mention >>> cleanup >>>> some technical debt. The keywords being major architectural and >>>> api/integrational changes. Some of this maybe on-going, but we'll get >> to >>>> 5.x with patience over time. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Rohit Yadav >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Ivan Kudryavtsev <kudryavtsev...@bw-sw.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:15:29 AM >>>> To: users; dev >>>> Subject: Why CloudStack 5 >>>> >>>> I decided whether to write it several weeks thinking about the stones >> and >>>> rotten potatoes, but still decided to do that. Hope it will not raise >> the >>>> stress level. >>>> >>>> Colleagues and ACS leaders, I would like to initiate the discussion. >> Why >>> go >>>> to CS5 rather than stay with 4.XX. Some thoughts are: >>>> >>>> 1. According to the versioning guide, the first number stands for >> radical >>>> changes like if the community decided to go from current ORM to >>> Hibernate. >>>> I don't see the capabilities for such changes and there are no >> intentions >>>> for the implementation. >>>> >>>> 2. I can realize that we 'stuck' with '4.XX' and the marketing can be >>>> disappointing from that point of view. Then, OK, let's just skip the >>> first >>>> number "4." and release, ACS 13.X, 14.X, 15.X and so on. Every version >>> will >>>> receive new impressing version number and everyone could be happy about >>>> that. >>>> >>>> Going to version "5" currently looks like as an intention to refresh >> but >>>> with very poor motivation. At least to me. >>>> >>>> The discussion is strongly welcome. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With best regards, Ivan Kudryavtsev >>>> Bitworks LLC >>>> Cell RU: +7-923-414-1515 >>>> Cell USA: +1-201-257-1512 >>>> WWW: http://bitworks.software/ <http://bw-sw.com/> >>>> >>>> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com >>>> www.shapeblue.com >>>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK >>>> @shapeblue >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rafael Weingärtner >> > > > -- > With best regards, Ivan Kudryavtsev > Bitworks LLC > Cell RU: +7-923-414-1515 > Cell USA: +1-201-257-1512 > WWW: http://bitworks.software/ <http://bw-sw.com/>
