Yes, but we would need to rethink the Cocoon build/releases cycles to simplify the installation...
But we first need to know if we want to broaden the user base or the situation is fine (cocoon is seen as a powerful but difficult product) -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexander Schatten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : vendredi 7 novembre 2003 14:55 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Compilation of Cocoon / Binary Distribution / Different Configurations, Nicolas Toper wrote: >for instance I know tons of webdeveloper with no formal training and admin >sys competencies. They use EasyPHP (a great product by the way) to develop >their websites. Why? B/C it's easy to install on windows and for now >definitely easier than Cocoon. > > > (1) yes, this is an important issue. Cocoon < 2 was extremly difficult to install; so what I did then for my courses was to bundle a tomcat/cocoon installation for my customers to download, because otherwise, they would never have used Cocoon (2) then I was so happy about the 2.0 release, because installation meant to get the binary distribution and copy the war file into the tomcat webapps directory (also binary distribution available). Although an even better solution would have been to bundle tomcat/jetty with Cocoon. simple unzip and start. (3) Now we have the exasperating source distribution/compilation problem that in result is an excellent measurement to avoid new Cocoon users (particularly when they are no Java developers): If a new user-non Java developer reads, that he has to install the JVM and compile Cocoon before usage, he will switch to PHP or something else. (4a) Even worse: there are some details that are very confusing for new users: e.g. the "cocoon-latest-..." naming on the download. Even I was stumbeling, because I though, this might be some developer snapshot, some unstable release and I was searching for some release; and after I found no "2.x" marked release I used this one. (4b) References to cvs are *completley* useless for non-experts. No "newbie user" who is not programmer will do this, particularly under windows, where you have no cvs clients installed. So most probably the new distribution strategy is a clear and solid step backward. To concluce: if the Cocoon Community is interested in non-Java-expert-Cocoon users, there is to provide a binary installation that has to be downloaded, unpacked and startet. this is at least my opinion. Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
