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Julian Wrote:
I think in
order to feel comfortable adopting these implementations, I need to believe they won't be scrapped and that there is unifying model/philosophy behind where/what Cocoon will become as it further matures. Perhaps many of these projects should be spun out of Cocoon into subprojects rather than calling them blocks....akin to the Lenya app.
I don't see CForms going away anytime soon, nor do I see Flowscript. If you're really concerned about where Cocoon is going, please join the -dev list and start a conversation about it.
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**As it
stands the Cocoon project is becoming too big and confusing as to what it really is.** This is a burden for neophytes. From the site's from page:
"The Apache Cocoon Project is the open source community project developing Apache Cocoon and Cocoon-based application frameworks."
I can accept this, but where is the division that creates consumable parts?
What division are you speaking of? The developers recognize that Cocoon needs to allow dynamic loading of "blocks" and are actively working on that. Or maybe that isn't what you meant.
Yes, there are plans to allow Cocoon to have hot-swappable pieces. This is what's known as "Real Blocks," and it's been in the works for quite some time now.
See http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=109362470725423&w=2 for more information.
Julian Wrote:
Finally, running an app written mostly in xml makes me shake in my boots. I think Cocoon is great, but sometimes too much emphasis seems to be put into XML.
Ralph's Reply:
Why? (BTW - Cocoon doesn't really run on XML. It runs on SAX events). This "feature", in my mind, is one of its greatest strengths as I find I
can customize almost anything.
Yep, and remember, the XML publishing is just one aspect of it all. XML is good for publishing... the view. Of course, you shouldn't rely on XML for stuff like Flow Control or backend stuff, which is why we have Flowscript and the OJB or Hibernate integration writeups...
I hope this helps rather than sounding like endless ramblings. If it is the latter, please accept my apologies, but I fear that Cocoon is outgrowing the garden.
Trust me, people have felt this way for years :)
The best way to help is to contribute to the project. Like I said, subscribe to the -dev list and join the conversation.
Tony
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